Shailat
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dobro said:
You learn that it is beyond your understanding and you pay me a lot of money to do it for you
You learn that it is beyond your understanding and you pay me a lot of money to do it for you
dobro
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Don't listen to him, anybody. The man's wearing sunglasses. He can't be trusted. 
Shailat
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Lets start with your vocals......
I have no intention to write all about the difference between reverb and delay as an acoustical phenomen...sorry no energy....
I'll leave that to others and move straight to the point.
Delay is basicly split into a few categories.
Different people call different time delays different things but this is how I conceive it.
Slapback - is a single repeat of the source. IT should be longer then 35ms to be called a slapback.
ok ok ok a little acoustics....the first delay is what gives your brain the perception of the size of the room. A longer slapback=larger room. So lets say you need a big vocal sound, you can add a delay BEFORE the reverb.
A single delay is sometimes prefered over a reverb sound as it is cleaner and so many people prefer a delay over a reverb.
Delays should wrok in relation to the tempo. So use the calculation to make it work.
Part of working with a dealy is the panning aspect of the delayed part. IF you use the delay as a thickner then pan the delayed part behind the vocal (center) and bring the level up slowly untill you like the combination (to make it sound full and large but must sound natural !!).
A delay also helps the vocals sound more interesting as it can give a chorus type sound and so the vocals will sound richer.
Delays can also be used in combination like two different delays on the same vocal - a long one and a short one ( I'll get to that later).
Doubling - less then 35ms and works great on back Vox and somtimes lead vox. Here we use a technique of panning it to different sides. Source on left delay on right.
You get a nice wide stereo effect. This also will give you a larger sound.
I'll be back later for more but first I eat supper -nothing comes between me and my food.
I have no intention to write all about the difference between reverb and delay as an acoustical phenomen...sorry no energy....
I'll leave that to others and move straight to the point.
Delay is basicly split into a few categories.
Different people call different time delays different things but this is how I conceive it.
Slapback - is a single repeat of the source. IT should be longer then 35ms to be called a slapback.
ok ok ok a little acoustics....the first delay is what gives your brain the perception of the size of the room. A longer slapback=larger room. So lets say you need a big vocal sound, you can add a delay BEFORE the reverb.
A single delay is sometimes prefered over a reverb sound as it is cleaner and so many people prefer a delay over a reverb.
Delays should wrok in relation to the tempo. So use the calculation to make it work.
Part of working with a dealy is the panning aspect of the delayed part. IF you use the delay as a thickner then pan the delayed part behind the vocal (center) and bring the level up slowly untill you like the combination (to make it sound full and large but must sound natural !!).
A delay also helps the vocals sound more interesting as it can give a chorus type sound and so the vocals will sound richer.
Delays can also be used in combination like two different delays on the same vocal - a long one and a short one ( I'll get to that later).
Doubling - less then 35ms and works great on back Vox and somtimes lead vox. Here we use a technique of panning it to different sides. Source on left delay on right.
You get a nice wide stereo effect. This also will give you a larger sound.
I'll be back later for more but first I eat supper -nothing comes between me and my food.
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sonusman
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Shailat said:
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Not even sex?
What about a free 9098 module at the local pro audio shop for the first 100 customers to come in? (like THAT would happen...
)Come Moshe! There has to be things that come before food!
And by the way, Shailat's articles with audio examples on reverb are quite worth the read and listen.
Ed
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twonky
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More More!
This is good!
I dont feel as smart as I could feel about stuff.
This is good!
I dont feel as smart as I could feel about stuff.
sonusman
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twonky said:
Hopefully, you never will!
I know I probaby won't!Ed
Shailat
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sonusman said:
My wife said to me "either you stop buying gear or I stop the sex", so I had no choice but................to stop the sex.
Back to delays.....
For even larger vocals a delay time of over 100ms can be used but I would contain it more towards a slow tempo song as it will muddy and interfare. It's MUST ! be in tempo with that large a difference. It's closing in on a echo already !.
Also that large a delay and you might use it on specific lines like at the end of certain sentances were there is room in the mix to hear it rather then on every sentance.
When you calculate the time on the delay you might play with time using any of the notes (1/4, 1/8, 1/16 and triplets) depending on the groove. IF you play with the time so its not sitting exactly you can get interesting results like a more layed back groove or more intensified.
U will see a modulation control on your delay. The important part is the LFO. The LFO can lower the pitch therfore giving you a Chorus/Flage/phase shit - type of sound as it slows/speeds up the delayed signal. The basic explanation for the effect is a phase waveform combination/cancelation at different times.
Modulation can be split into "Depth" and "rate". One controls the depth of the modulation on the delayed signal and the other the rate...duh....
More to be read on Ed's next post about how to use chorus/flanger..etc...
Then you will see the "feedback" - the amount of feeding back into the input again so that you can delay it agin and agin and again.... Also sometimes called regeneration. Most people tend to set the delay time to over 200ms at this effect.
Bottom line if you can hear the delay then you can pan it to any where you want and therefore you can treat it as if its a new instrument as well so that you can eq it differently etc....
If you cant hear it as a seperate sound then you are closer to creating a fuller/ fatter sound of the original sound.
A triple delay is when you use 2 different delays usualy under 40ms at the same time on the original signal. Try a 31ms and a
12ms and panning each one at a different side as well as leaving the original at center. keep the delays lower the the original...talk about fat.........