Help setting up a New Studio....

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Im new at this. As of this moment I am only recording my tracks using Cool Edit Pro. It is pretty good, but the quality are not as great. I want to know what should I get to be able to record some studio-like sound qualities at my very own home. I am currently working on hip-hop songs performing with me and a couple other people. I am really an amatuer at this, so every single detail may help me a lot. Example what equipments do I need to purchase, I dont need instruments since I am using beats provided by people. Please help me with getting this set up, i'd really appreciate it.

Thank you
 
Hi Konrad,
I'm new to home recording too. I've been reading a lot on the Cubase.net forums for over a year and I've read a lot on this forum for a few months now.

Basically, there are many ways to achieve "studio-like qualities" The varieties of equipment to choose from can be overwhelming. First and foremost, assess your current needs. Also give an honest answer to whether you'll expand at all and how quickly. Once you've got these answers, look at what's out there to fit your budget. And remember that you'll get what you pay for.

I'm considering a digital mixer such as the yamaha 01V96 and the Alesis hd24xr to get going. Currently I have an Echo Mia Audio card in a Gateway PC that I've not done a great deal with.

One thing i've always heard and I'll pass it along to you is... spend your money on great mics and great mic preamps. Don't short change your mics and pres for any reason. You may do the math and say "if I got this less expensive mic/pre then I could afford this more expensive interface." That's a NO! NO!

I'd type more but, I'll see what other advice you get from other more experienced people.

Best of Luck,
Chris
 
I am willing to spend $5000 just to get everything that I need going on. Tell me what is the best digital mixer, mic, mic pres, and any other things that i left out. Also, what is needed or not needed to perform studio-like qualities.

Thank you
 
Konrad said:
I am willing to spend $5000 just to get everything that I need going on. Tell me what is the best digital mixer, mic, mic pres, and any other things that i left out. Also, what is needed or not needed to perform studio-like qualities.

Thank you


Here is an AMAZING wuote from a post just yesterday in this same forum....


Richard Monroe said:
Why in God's name are you going to drop a bundle on recording gear when you don't know what the hell it does? You are headed for a major league mistake, brother, one that you will regret for months or years. I've spent the price of a pretty good new car on pro audio gear over the last 2 years. I spent 8 months spec'ing gear before I bought anything, and there are still a few things I wish I'd done differently. Your first mistake is buying a Behringer mixer.
What you need to do is this- Spook around on this board for at least 3 months, studying mostly microphones, mic preamps, and studio building and display. Explain to people what you intend to record, where you intend to record it, and what you intend to do with the recordings afterwards. Then create complete gear lists with every piece of equipment involved. Every power conditioner, every cable, shock mount, pop filter, the instruments, headphones, headphone amps, tuners, right down to the chair you're going to sit in while you do it. When you can get 5, just 5, of the top fifty posters on this board to agree you have a plan, then buy.
Right now, the brands aren't as important as the peripherals, and the peripherals vary depending on your intentions. Recording classical music, or hip hop, or metal, call for very different setups. My setup is designed to record real acoustic sound in real acoustic space with minimal processing. This means I can do a real good job on a string quartet or a bluegrass trio. My setup would suck for hip hop. No synths, no modules, almost no FX. I'm more likely to use 2 mics to record an 88 piece orchestra than I am to use 42 tracks to record a pop song. That's just me. I chose the tools to do the job I want to do. I built my studio around the front end, not the back end. 60% of the money I've spent was on instruments, microphones, and mic preamps. Most of the rest was room conditioning, the recorder itself, A-D conversion, and peripherals- mic stands, headphones, cables, shock mounts, pop filters, power conditioning.
All I'm saying is- you're *not* ready to buy anything except a really great instrument, if you play one and don't have one, and books on home recording. It's time to do some homework, not to buy stuff you don't understand yet. In general, things that you really should study:

bass traps
diffusors
gobos
vocal isolation booths
compressors
reverb units
power conditioners/voltage regulators
shock mounts
pop filters
patch cables
mic cables
patch bays
headphones
headphone distribution amps
monitors, active and passive
mic preamps/channel strips
amp modelers
hard drive digital recorders
standalone digital recorders
digital audio workstations
sound cards
audio recording software
high speed CD duplicators
open reel analog recorders
dynamic mics
ribbon mics
large diaphragm condenser mics
small diaphragm condenser mics
boom stands
uninterruptible power supplies
mixing consoles
racks
multi-effects boxes
lava lamps (critical)

When you can speak reasonably intelligently on all of the above, contrasting the prices, advantages, and disadvantages of entry-level, mid priced, and high end examples of each, you will be ready to spend the price of a pretty good car on recording equipment. The good news is- this is a pretty good place to start that learning process. Good Luck.-Richie


You can view the rest of the thread here.
 
I'd agree with 90% of Outlaws' post. You'll probably become some kind of digital audio gear geek if you read up on all of that for the entire budget spectrum.

But, Knowledge = Power and you want your music to have it so, read, read, read.

Go to the microphones forum and read up on all the mics out there doing what you intend to do with your studio. Mic pres can easily assume 1/3 to 1/2 of your budget so, that'll be next. I see a lot of stuff about Grace Designs. And people (for the most part) don't talk bad about Apogee products either. Do a search for "best mic pre" and see what the people are posting. What's cool is... there are people just like you with a little money and people who can afford bigger and better that have experience with better gear. Great for learning!!

Chris
 
I know I shouldnt get expensive gears. I set my limit to $5000 maximum. I didn't intend on spending $5000. I came here to ask for advice, but having people telling me nonsense stuffs. I just really needed a quick quote. Of what to buy, that's all!!
 
Konrad said:
I came here to ask for advice, but having people telling me nonsense stuffs. I just really needed a quick quote. Of what to buy, that's all!!

If only it was that simple. The gear is secondary to how you use it.

Your best bet would probably be to get a full range monitoring system with sub if you are doing hip hop. The Blue Sky's are a nice system and not too outrageously priced.

Then you need some good preamps, compressors and ADC's. Peruse the list at www.mercenary.com to get some ideas on those components.

There are a lot of decent mics available and you might start with a decent condensor and a dynamic. An MD421 and an MXL V93 would give you some flexibility.
 
Konrad said:
I came here to ask for advice, but having people telling me nonsense stuffs. I just really needed a quick quote. Of what to buy, that's all!!

You want non-sense. I'll toss ya somez nonsenz.

Typical hiphopper response. Thats why no one in the music world gives any respect to any one involved with hiphop. (there are other reasons be we won't go into that here)


But in all honesty, Berhinger makes some really good quality for a very good price. You really can't go wrong with their stuff. Nady is another good company. Cheap, so you can get all the things you need for your studio, and still have money left over for some SonicBoosters. Those things make a mix shine. They make the sub frequencies rip the ground apart.
 
Konrad said:
I know I shouldnt get expensive gears. I set my limit to $5000 maximum. I didn't intend on spending $5000. I came here to ask for advice, but having people telling me nonsense stuffs. I just really needed a quick quote. Of what to buy, that's all!!

It's not nonsense. But since you want to be told exactly what to get, here goes:

Get a digital multitrack. Which one? Who cares, not important. Say a Fostex MR8. $300 on Zzounds.

You need a mic. Get a Shure SM57. Best bang for the buck ever. Below $90.

Then get some good active monitors. Which? Who cares, it's not important. Yorksville YSM1p are supposed to be great. $450.

Then you need a micstand. Find one you can rattle around and it still stays together. And you need a popshield, and cables and headphones.

I think that's it. You wont need to spend more that $1200. Probably you are soon gonna get GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) and buy more stuff, but that's the next question. If you wanna go completely nuts, get a second hand Yamaha AW4416 from eBay instead of the Fostex. $1400. You aint gonna need replacing that for years.
 
"Studio Quality"

comes only after years of experience - and usually requires a studio.

Set your sights a little more realistically and you can do pretty well with Regebro's advice. It'll get you into recording and sooner or later you will get enough hours under your belt to want to improve the sound. The you're off to more gear, a better this, a quieter that, and so on. But remember that nothing ever beats out experience and talent.
 
THANKS!!! Thats' what I've been waiting for. I know I am not a professional. It takes practice, and work to improve, also to learn how to operate these gears. I only ask for advice to begin my session, yet others complain how I can't do this nor that. Everyone was a beginner once in their life, yet I am motivated to learn how to master these equipments as you all did. Thanks again for the great advice on the products you mentioned earlier RegeBro. Also, Outlaw, if you keep complaining. Why are you even roaming around the bullentin boards? The only help you have given me are traffic counts on my bullentin board, which attracted people.
 
Konrad said:
if you keep complaining. Why are you even roaming around the bullentin boards?


The only complaining is going to be by you when you come asking why certain things you have are not compatable.
 
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