Guitargodgt
New member
I'm way more noob on a drumset that you are and can't agree more.
I'm way more noob on a drumset that you are and can't agree more.
Guitargodgt
New member
I love how the click is annoying in his ear too btw. Classic drummer statement. lol
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bongoboy
a clown without a circus
Thank you for a voice of reason, xdrummer. There really are some awesome people around here. I hope I'm that good when I grow up.
Farview
Well-known member
I think the problem is obvious with what he said. "I'm having trouble keeping time with this annoying click in my ear" It's pretty obvious that he is still trying to keep time instead of letting the click do it.
He needs to play with the click instead of at the click, to the click, or in spite of the click.
He needs to play with the click instead of at the click, to the click, or in spite of the click.
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Greg_L
Banned
Lol. I don't even notice the click, beep, or whatever it is. It could be dogs barking or breaking glass, if it's rhythmic, I'll drum right along with it. One of the things I like about playing with a click is that when I'm locked onto it, I don't even notice it anymore. It vanishes. I think that happens for lots of people. You and the click become one and from there you can push it, or pull it, and still be locked in. It's like when you stare at something and everything in your peripheral vision fades away. It's like a zen thing, if that kind of hippy shit was real.
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aaronaycox
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I have only met one drummer that could not play according to a click track. He was a lousy drummer. A trained drummer is counting the entire time they are playing, the click just makes sure that the timing stays in check. Even with fills and solos, the tempo stays the same.
Tell the drummer to use the click as a snare reference or a reference for the kick. If he can't play with a click leading the way you will need to find a session drummer to record with. ......or just replace the drummer you have with one that can perform.
Tell the drummer to use the click as a snare reference or a reference for the kick. If he can't play with a click leading the way you will need to find a session drummer to record with. ......or just replace the drummer you have with one that can perform.
kidkage
Bored of Canada
Is there anything wrong with me not using the typical "tic toc toc toc" 4/4 metronome?
I stick to the 1/4 clicks.
I stick to the 1/4 clicks.
Farview
Well-known member
I don't bother with accenting the '1' either. Some of the stuff I do goes in and out of time signatures frequently, so a lot of times, it's just easier to just have straight 1/8 notes and I will decide where the '1' is.
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close
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Try midi drums played on a seperate track, he may be able to sync with that.
ranjam
New member
Just my late addition; I'm sure you know that click tracks have come a long way since that annoying 'tic, tic' that really does get on your nerves. It can be anything else, and have an accent. You just think of it as another instrument playing with you. But there are reasons many people insist on a click track, and it's not just for musical integrity. Typically, it's to make it easy to edit, copy, paste, or add delay during mixing. You read interviews with many classic drummers from the analog only days, and they almost brag that they never used a click, preferring to let the music breathe. But you need some serious chops to pull that off and not sound like your meter sucks. Some classic records were recorded to a click, to be sure. I still cringe listening to Free's 'All Right Now', and hear that someone forgot(?) to remove that damn click. 
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krizzz
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I've been playing to the click for 20+ years and I can tell you that if you practice enough you will not hear the click anymore. It only becomes perceivable when you are out of sync. Playing to click does not mean hitting every note exactly at the click. Sometimes you need to add groove, delay some notes etc. Still, the drummer must be able to play exactly with the click and any "going out of sync" must be intentional. If he can not keep the timing after like 2 practice sessions with metronome, he probably should not be a drummer. Or musician at all ...
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mdainsd
Member
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Krizzz comes with fizzzzz........
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Greg_L
Banned
I 100% agree with krizzz.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Maybe....but 100% true...and not just for drummers, but any musician that can't play to a click needs to go back for more "Timing 101" lessons.
I will agree that the *first* time you hear a click in your headphones it can be distracting, but you know, it's no different than someone tapping their foot or a conductor swingin' his baton.
Just have the engineer turn down the level of the click so it's not annoying and louder than everything else. I like to pan it off to the side. Also, the choice of click sound can make a difference (I've been using the same click sound for like 20 years now).
Once you got that set....just let the click melt away into the background and you focus on the music.
A musician with solid rhythm should fall into the groove pretty easily with the click...plus, it also settles a lot of arguments...either you're in time, or not...and all that malarkey about not being able to play "around the groove" has nothing to do with the click....you can still do that.
Guitargodgt
New member
Lately I have been messing with ridiculous click tracks.
My favorite at the moment is one that says "one, two, three, four." I think you can make it go to 9 or something like that.
The stock cubase one still irritates the shit out of me (thankfully you can rout that to a VSTi instead of that horrid beep).
My favorite at the moment is one that says "one, two, three, four." I think you can make it go to 9 or something like that.
The stock cubase one still irritates the shit out of me (thankfully you can rout that to a VSTi instead of that horrid beep).
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mdainsd
Member
So, someone who cant get a technique down in one or two practices, shouldn't be a musician at all? That is what was said and what I found harsh. I have no respect for that mindset.
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Greg_L
Banned
Playing to a click isn't advanced jazz technique. It's no different than tapping your foot to the beat of a song. It's just something that comes naturally. I don't know if it can be learned. Little kids can clap along to a song. It's just something you can do, or can't. If you can't do that naturally, find a new hobby.
VomitHatSteve
Hat STYLE. Not contents.
I suppose a drummer who can't play to a click is kind of like a vocalist who can't match the pitch of other instruments.
You may be amazing at everything else on the instrument, but if you can't figure out that one core skill, you're never going to be very good.
You may be amazing at everything else on the instrument, but if you can't figure out that one core skill, you're never going to be very good.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Playing to a click is not a "technique" to be learned. It's a fundamental aspect of playing an instrument and something that should have been learned from day one....not necessarily to a "click track", but counting, tapping your foot, using a metronome...it's ALL the same.
I think too many musicians who forgo that training at the early stages and/or end up being mostly being self-thought...think that if they just play from "feel" and if it sounds right to them...then it is right, but if you can't keep time in a manner that is consistent with an actual timing reference, then you got a problem.