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jrlemonz
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One more thing. Les Pauls don't weigh THAT much. And you get used to it a lot faster then you think.
Jake
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Viking
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Get a Les Paul Studio Lite. Half the weight and all the tone. Can be found used for $600-$800. Check eBay. Epiphones are shit...atleast the electronics, anyway.
Amp thingy: Modeling amps are nice and would suit for recording, but if you plan to play with a band the don't cut through, have crappy bass response, and sure as hell don't work with another guitar player in the band. I have a SLO which is not an option for you, but the Marshall Valvestate is the best amp for the money. There's a used 100W combo (2X12) with chorus and footswitch (3ch) for only $279 here. And it has Celestion Speakers!!!
Good Luck.
Ditch the Crate.
Amp thingy: Modeling amps are nice and would suit for recording, but if you plan to play with a band the don't cut through, have crappy bass response, and sure as hell don't work with another guitar player in the band. I have a SLO which is not an option for you, but the Marshall Valvestate is the best amp for the money. There's a used 100W combo (2X12) with chorus and footswitch (3ch) for only $279 here. And it has Celestion Speakers!!!
Good Luck.
Ditch the Crate.
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jrlemonz
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Modeling amps cut through any mix for band performance! I do't know what the hell you're talking about. The only reason some don't have good bass response is that they only have 10's or 8's in them. Get the Flextone XL, Spider 212, or Johnson JM150. All of them have 2 12"s. They sound AWESOME, and all have at least 100 watts of power (Johnson has 150). If you had the $$ you could even get the Flextone HD head and make yourself a 300 watt stack. They are good for recording, but they rock on stage. I play with another guitarist who has a Marshall Valvestate with a Marshall cab, and he wants to trade me for my 2 10's Flextone. My amp sounds exactly like his when I put it on the JCM900 model. Not that this message had anything to do with what guitar this guy should buy, just the defense of something I bet you've never tried to play out with.
Jake
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Viking
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Well... I suppose they do cut through, if you're playing Simon&Garfunkel covers or something.
PROVEN FACT: You cannot have two guitars and one of them playing in stereo. Sounds like shit, phase cancellation, out of phase, delay problems, general mud sound...
I have practiced with modeling amps and it sucked. I own a Digitech 2112 pre-amp that used to be my main rig. It is also what Johnson uses for a preamp. It's all Digitech.
I would never play out with one because I would chew the speakers out about halfway through the gig. Well, If I gave a Damn about my tone anyway. And thanks for another point, your amp on the 'JCM 900' setting sounded like a solid-state amp...HMMM...... Hmm......
Digital amps lack touch, response, warmth, and tone of a real tube amp. And they have that damn noise gate thingy, which sucks the life outa any solo that's laid back, but which is required cause they are so damn noisy!
BTW: The Simon and Garfunkel thing was a bit much...
Ditch the Crate.
PROVEN FACT: You cannot have two guitars and one of them playing in stereo. Sounds like shit, phase cancellation, out of phase, delay problems, general mud sound...
I have practiced with modeling amps and it sucked. I own a Digitech 2112 pre-amp that used to be my main rig. It is also what Johnson uses for a preamp. It's all Digitech.
I would never play out with one because I would chew the speakers out about halfway through the gig. Well, If I gave a Damn about my tone anyway. And thanks for another point, your amp on the 'JCM 900' setting sounded like a solid-state amp...HMMM...... Hmm......
Digital amps lack touch, response, warmth, and tone of a real tube amp. And they have that damn noise gate thingy, which sucks the life outa any solo that's laid back, but which is required cause they are so damn noisy!
BTW: The Simon and Garfunkel thing was a bit much...
Ditch the Crate.
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jrlemonz
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Well, its just too bad that you're proven facts are wrong. Our sound is noting even close to muddy. My amp has no sort of noise gate, it's controllable, and I leave it off. The Johnson amp comes with Celestions, so I doubt you'll be chewing out anything. And yes my amp on JCM900 does sound like a solid state amp. Some of Line 6's models aren't perfect. Some of them do sound like tube amps, but some don't. The Johnsons are incredible. You would never know the difference. They have a tube inside them to add tot heir incredible sound modeling. And once again, you don't own one of these, and you've never played out with one, so how the hell would you know? I have gone to a lot of shows lately where peop=le are running the Flextone HD or the Johnson Millenium and was very impressed with their sound. The Flextone HD doesn't have to be run in stereo, depends on what cab you use.
Jake
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I hope Buck 62 doesn't read this, after the Koss thing.
I think you can get a Strat copy for $100.00 or so.
I really wonder if there is any difference at all.
If there is no difference, you just saved $900.00.
I have an Alvarez Strat copy that I just love, or maybe I'm just ignorant. Sorry Buck.
I think you can get a Strat copy for $100.00 or so.
I really wonder if there is any difference at all.
If there is no difference, you just saved $900.00.
I have an Alvarez Strat copy that I just love, or maybe I'm just ignorant. Sorry Buck.
dabluesman
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I just bought a Fender American Std. Strat. this past weekend. It was on sale for $729 (the same price that Sam Ash sells them for, the last i've checked anyway) It has those DeltaTone pickups in it. I'm very happy with it, I also tried one of the new American Strats and I still liked the Std. better.
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rickenjangle
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Find yourself a used '72 Reissue Tele thinline, or a tele custom with a humbucker at the neck, and save a few more ducats for a decent (non-crate or peavey) tube amp, and I think you'll be happy. Crates drool, and Voxes rule!
For about $900, you can get one of the solid body Rickenbackers (620) with pickups that are crisp like a strat, but fuller. A lot of great alternative music was cut with Rickenbackers. I can't help it, I'm biased! Hence the name.
For about $900, you can get one of the solid body Rickenbackers (620) with pickups that are crisp like a strat, but fuller. A lot of great alternative music was cut with Rickenbackers. I can't help it, I'm biased! Hence the name.
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GuitarsFromMars
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Newbie I am,but have 37 years playing,gigging,and tracking guitars.I own 9 guitars.I will say my Les Paul(has been my #1 since it was built for me in '03)is a fine instrument.Don't be doing the 'hate Gibson' thing,it's a waste of time.That being said:1000$ goes a long way used...Strats/Teles are less expensive,probably easier to dial in a nice sound with,but you have to have a well shielded evironment and guitar,sometimes new p/u units.Amps have to be dealt with carefully-get one that uses tubes(yes,vacuum tubes).and go from there;an old,small,Fender would be fine.
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Kwality
A new Deluxe strat is the quietest "noise making" guitar I have ever played.
I have a couple strats, but the SCN pups are silent.
And this thread is 8 years old newb!
elenore19
Slowing becoming un-noob.
I've had experience with the spider 212. First off, I could never find a suitable crunch tone. Way too digital sounding. Next, 2x12? 100 watts? RIDICULOUS amount of power. I turned it to 4 and was overpowering the entire band. and the 2 12" speakers? They make that thing just a beast to carry around. Seriously, just ridiculous. So I would strongly suggest a smaller amp, that's at least a hybrid, if not tube.
My recommendation would be the Super Champ XD. It has the whole digital side to it, but it also sounds fantastic with the hybrid tube section.
It's also only $300.
There's my suggestion. Don't get some big ass amp, they are more of a pain than necessary.
Milnoque
Resident Curmudgeon
My 2cents,
Give a long hard look at the G&L Tribute ASAT Bluesboy. Its a Tele style guitar with a humbucker in the neck position and a standard Tele bridge pickup. The quality is higher than many brand's budget guitars and they use the same American made pickups as their premium versions. You should be able to find one for $450 or less, perhaps much less. Buffalo Brothers would be a good place to start. http://www.buffalobrosguitars.com/gAndL.html
If you decide to go with a Les Paul check out the Heritage H-150. They're built in the same Kalamazoo Michigan factory the Les Paul was born in and employ many old Gibson craftsmen. Far less expensive.
Don't rule out the Paul Reed Smith budget line.
Give a long hard look at the G&L Tribute ASAT Bluesboy. Its a Tele style guitar with a humbucker in the neck position and a standard Tele bridge pickup. The quality is higher than many brand's budget guitars and they use the same American made pickups as their premium versions. You should be able to find one for $450 or less, perhaps much less. Buffalo Brothers would be a good place to start. http://www.buffalobrosguitars.com/gAndL.html
If you decide to go with a Les Paul check out the Heritage H-150. They're built in the same Kalamazoo Michigan factory the Les Paul was born in and employ many old Gibson craftsmen. Far less expensive.
Don't rule out the Paul Reed Smith budget line.
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owwmyfoot
slave to the grind
The ibanez sz series are very nice, although they stopped making them this year. See if you can find a used sz prestige. If not I would go with a les paul or a nice les paul copy, if you know how to spot one. Use the left over money to buy a low-watt tube amp and you'll be in business. hint hint crate vintage club 
There are tons of neat tube amps to be had cheap on craig's list. Good luck in your search. I myself am looking for a new project guitar!
There are tons of neat tube amps to be had cheap on craig's list. Good luck in your search. I myself am looking for a new project guitar!
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owwmyfoot
slave to the grind
Don't drop more than 500 bucks on your first tube amp, for the following reasons.
1. There are plenty of great low-watt tube amps to be had for under 300 bucks used that sound phenomenal.
2. Chances are you're going to want to learn how it works and tinker with it on the inside (replacing tubes, adjusting bias, swapping out reverb tanks, changing speakers, and on and on and on.) If he messes up and fries the thing, better it be a cheaper fixer-upper tone machine than a 900 dollar plus amplifier.
But hey, if you have lots of money, spend it by all means. Somebody's gotta get this b%^& of an economy moving! Till then just listen to your ears and party on
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Superhuman
Shagaholic
If you like rhythm guitar and you want something versatile enough that will allow you to play any style then I would recommend an Ibanez Universe. I have a few Ibanez guitars including a Jem and Prestige and an RG but my favourite is the Universe. Lovely neck and excellent playability. It comes with a set of Dimarzio Blaze pickups from the box but I would recommend upgrading to Evolution 7's. The 7th string adds a whole new dimension to playing and gives more scope with the extra low end. Give one a go in a guitar shop and you will feel how well they play - then just hunt around E-Bay for a good second deal from a trusted seller. They can be got new for $1800 new from a the cheapest online seller so you should be able to get a nice second hand one or close to a grand.
