Help me pick a mic, please !

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well, the upside is that if you buy used from a reputable seller on these messageboards or off of ebay, you can try it out and, if you don't like it, you can generally sell it at a minimal loss as long as you've taken good care of it. the loss becomes basically like a rental fee. i've tried well over a dozen mics in the last year and a half or so that way.
 
I think it depends mostly on what you're trying to do, and how serious you want to get with this stuff.

If you want a gimmicky, toy microphone that looks kinda' funky, then go with the Baby Bottle.

On the other hand, if you want a cheap, disposable toy mic made in China with a few bells/whistles, then you might consider some of the other ones you were considering.

But then if you actually want a real mic, that will serve as an actual audio tool for serious, real-world audio projects ... then get the ksm44.

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Thanks Chessrock.

I think that settles it.

KSM44 is the most consistantly recommened choice.


Do you own one ?
 
Ribbon mics are dynamic mics. A cheap ribbon certainly isn't necessarily any better than a cheap dynamic. If I was building a mic collection, though, a ribbon isn't necessarily where I would start out. I'd pick up a good LD condensor or high quality dynamic for vocals, and a pair of good SD condensors for instruments and overheads.

The KSM44 or AT4050 are very competent mid-range LD condensors that are both multipattern and thus broadly useful. Each has its boosters and detractors, but they are pretty equivalent mics in that they are relatively flat and unhyped. If you have two, they can be used for overheads as well. The AT4050 will be a bit cheaper than the KSM44. Buy used if you can. The AKG C414 is a widely used mic that, IMHO, isn't necessarily any better than the KSM44 or AT4050 (unless you get an older one, but those cost a lot more $$). There are multiple versions of the C414 and they do sound different from each other. An alternate consideration, and what I'd consider to be my desert island mic, is the Shure SM7. This dynamic mic keeps getting picked over much more expensive condensors for vocals in my last projects. Mine got used so much I bought a second one. About $316 new from/through Amazon and $200-225 or so used. Does require a decent preamp though. If you want a better condenser than the AT4050 or the KSM44, I'd look at a used Soundelux U195 or a used Gefell UM70 (or its variants).

There are lots of good choices for SD condensors. If I was going to pick up a pair, I'd look closely at Beyer MC930s (@$765 new for a pair at B&H - hard to find used). I'd also consider AT-4051s (@$250 each used) and Josephson C-42s (@$700 a pair used). Short of getting into Schoeps, Neuman KM84is, or high end Gefells for significantly more money, one of these would do you very well for a very long time.

For about $1000-1100, you should be able to pick up a pair of very good SD condensors and a decent LD condensor or a really good dynamic like an SM7 or RE-20.

If you do want a ribbon, I'd suggest looking at the Beyer M160 or one of the AEA mics (R84 or R92). If you can find a used Beyer M500 for a decent price, it can be a wonderful vocal mic on some voices as well. I've picked up one of the cheaper Chinese ribbons (Avantone CR-14), and while it is an interesting mic that does have its uses, it is still not in the same class as my Beyer or AEA mics. The Peluso ribbon has also had good reviews, but I haven't used one yet. Again, ribbons are very nice, but they aren't where I'd start to build a mic cabinet.

Finally, while having a decent preamp is always a good thing, I don't know that I'd recommend splitting your funds further to buy what would still be, at best, a mid-level preamp. You aren't working with an Audio Buddy currently, and until you are realistically looking at dropping at least $400-500 per channel (with a few exceptions, like a VMP-2 or a Sytek), it is questionable how much "improvement" you will really see. It won't always be the case that you can afford to really upgrade all your components at once. I'd go for the best mics you can afford on this pass and then save until you can get a much better preamp. Buying lower quality mics and a so-so preamp now will just mean that you will be looking to up grade both, again, in short order.
 
the mojave audio ma-200 is made in china

Unfortunate.......

the reviews I read last year must have been wrong..... or hyped....

Cant find anything other than forum talk to confirm or deny..... photos would be nice, or a mic in the hand so I coudl see for myself.

The only thing we know for Shure is the Shure says "Made In USA" on it......

Darn it. I'm still liking the KSM44 recommend.
 
Yeah - for now, it's going to be a Shure KSM44.

In a few years, I'll save some big bucks for a great pre-amp.

I've learned that taking "half-steps" or compromising due to budget will always get your burned. It's further ahead to save the proper amount of money, and not settle for just the "get-by".

Thanks for the great advice.
 
ksm 44

i own one of these, and for the money, it is the best out there. i've used it on everything, from accoustic guitar, vocals, micing guitar through an Orange amp, drum overhead....it always sounds good. I can't imagine that you wouldn't behappy with t!! Good luck!!
JasonBird
 
To the person that suggested the TLM103, i agree with u. Idk if you guys know the band Jimmy Eat World, their decently big...the singer has used that as his primary vocal recording mic for a long time. And their recordings sound very good.
 
My buddy just lent me a Rode NTK for a few days.

I'm warming the tube up right now, and going to give it a try.

He says I can pick one of these up from $375 to $500.


Anybody here use these ?


:::UPDATE / EDIT :::

Damn! I let the Rode NTK warm up for half an hour, so much so, that it was actually warm to the touch.

However - my ear cannot hear a major difference between the Rode NTK and the Behringer B-1. (I mean, the Rode sounds a little richer, and maybe seems to have a little more bottom end, but I could just be convining myself of that).
 
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Whoo Hoo !

A friend of mine lent me an AKG C414 for a week.

Can you beleive the luck?

All I did was call him and say.... going to spend $1000 on a mic, what do I do?

He says.... "There is only 1 option. AKG C414. You can borrow mine."

CAN YOU BELIEVE HOW LUCKY THAT IS?

Going to do a shoot out tonight between.....


Behringer B-1 (yes I know - hardly in the same class, but I am familiar with it)

RODE NTK

AKG C414
 
Which version AKG C414 is your friend lending you? There are a plethora of versions and they don't sound the same. If you like the mic you are borrowing, make sure you are getting the same version if you buy one.
 
Does Jimmy eat World record their music themselves ?

Well..with their new cd coming out, im pretty sure not..but i talked to the lead singer on their message board about his vocal mic that he uses, and he said the following:

"for the majority of the vocals, we used a neumann tlm103 into a brent averill 1272 preamp, into an 1176. i know, anyone who reads gearslutz will rip this to shreds but it is what i have used since clarity to track demos. now we just said screw it and kept it on board for the final chain. i think i got mine for 900 bucks. it may be cheaper now because they have newer, better ones. anyone feel free to correct me but what i have come to believe is that they tried to make a no tube, just-cardioid u87 and that the tlm103 is what they came up with. but then, there were some other things i did with a 421 right into an mbox that made it on the album. if you can, try to demo the mics somewhere. every person is a unique voice so mic choice is at best an educated guess. and if you only have one good vocal mic then you will never miss the a/b tweakfest that eventually goes down in most vocal sessions."

Now obv. the good pres and stuff had something to do with it, but the mic of choice was a tlm103...and listening to the song big casino, the vocals sound pretty good.
 
It is an older style AKG C 414 B - ULS and it also says TL II


Which version AKG C414 is your friend lending you? There are a plethora of versions and they don't sound the same. If you like the mic you are borrowing, make sure you are getting the same version if you buy one.
 
Nice mic. The TL-II is the transformerless version of the B/ULS. I believe the capsule was also suppose to emulate the C-12 mic. It is not a currently produced version of the mic, so if you decide you like it, you will need to do a bit of hunting on the used market. I have a couple of the B/ULS mics which are a bit darker the the TL-II.
 
I have wasted allot of money trying to save a few bucks. First, I purchased mics in the $150 to $250 and $100 for pre-amps. Wasted money.

Then I purchased $300 to $400 mics. Still not happy and more money wasted.

This year I purchased a Mojave M200, Royer 122 ribbon, and a Great River pre. Ahhhhhh. What a difference! Well worth the extra money.

Dan
 
Ma-200

This year I purchased a Mojave M200, Royer 122 ribbon, and a Great River pre. Ahhhhhh. What a difference! Well worth the extra money.

Dan

every time i hear something negative about the ma200, it's from someone who heard something or read something

every time i hear something positive about the ma-200 it's from someone who has used it.

if you search other forums, and run across someone who has used this mic, there feedback (in my case) is always good.

it's just good to hear from another ma-200 fan. Yes, in some application you would turn to another mic, but when i need to record aggressive rock vocals this is the only thing i will grab.:D
 
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