Help me diagnose my amp!

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I have an old early '70s Sonax bass amp made by Yorkville. I got it for free pretty much. When I got it, I put a new Eminence speaker in because the old one was blown. At one point I killed it, because I accidently unscrewed a screw in the back which held the grounding wire. My father in law fixed that.

When I got it back, it made a loud airy sound, but it wasn't annoying or anything. Back in October '05, my brother borrowed it for a practice and took it way downtown and didn't have a way to get it back, so it sat there until today (it was a good distance, and confusing to get there) when I went with my brother to pick it up finally.

The amp had apparently been untouched the whole stay there. Anyway, I pulled it in today and as soon as I hit the power button it made a large ZAAP noise followed by rather loud hum. In fact, the hum sounded like when you sit your guitar somewhere and a string is vibrating and you can sort of hear it.

I plugged a guitar into it and when I play a power chord for example, it distorts and it sounds like a terrible vibrato effect. So I plugged a bass into it and it sounded like the speaker was blown. I check to make sure all the screws were tight and the cabinet seemed fine. I lugged the 15" speaker out of it and it looked perfect. No breaks or anything. So I painfully put it back by myself.

I have no idea what to do. It doesn't matter where it's plugged in, and lights don't seem to have any effect on it. I'm not going to attempt opening it up, because I'll probably kill something again, but what do you guys think it could be? I'm going to have my father in law look at it again when he can though. I wondered if maybe the positive and negative leads on the speaker were connected backwards, but I don't want to try reversing them, because I don't know if I'll blow it up or something.

Help!
 
I'd also like to add there are no tubes. This is a solid state amp. There is also a large POP sound that has always been there, when you turn off the amp. All of these sounds happen even when there is nothing plugged in, and all knobs are turned down.
 
I have no idea how. I'm very electronically in-ept and am only comfortable opening a few things, and this amp isn't one of them.

I'll have my father in law check it all out when he's available, but I'm just getting ideas from you guys as to what it could be so I can mention different possibilites. I'm just hoping the car ride down or back didn't knock something around in there, but I'm confident that it can be fixed...
 
Oh yeah, I'm also curious about the positive and negative leads on the speaker. I know I mentioned it before, but I don't know if they are backwards that would have created the original airy sound. I'm just afraid if I switch I'm, I'll fry something. Or what about ohms? I know the speaker is 8 ohms, but I don't know what my amp expects.
 
I'll get you guys some good pics, right now all I have is a blurry old one:
P1010383.jpg


I have a picture of the speaker too, and I'll get some of the back and all that stuff, when I'm able to upload it all.
 
Sounds like a bad connection somewhere. It looks old, take a look at the solder joints and see if they're shiny (especially the imputs). Then go from there. If a speaker was blown, you probably wouldn't get any noise whatsoever.
 
Yeah, it's pretty old, somewhere between 1973-76 when they were still being made. I thought about the speaker because when I got it, it had a replacement speaker with foam around the edges that had ripped apart and while I got sound, it was a nasty rumbling sound.

I guess bad solder joints could explain the rumbling when I play guitars through it, but I guess the whole zap and hum thing would be a different issue. I'm betting it's something to do with the grounding. Unfortunately I was at work when I had the grounding wire fixed back last year, so I didn't see how it was done. When you turn it on, you literally hear a loud ZZZAP noise and then the bad hum which sounds like resonating.

Anyway, here are some pics for you guys:

The back of the cab:
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/smashguy37/IMG_0144.jpg

Back of where all the insides are. Note the fuse:
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/smashguy37/IMG_0143.jpg

Side shot:
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/smashguy37/IMG_0142.jpg

Front shot looking down:
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/smashguy37/IMG_0141.jpg

Eminence speaker:
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/smashguy37/IMG_0140.jpg
 
Well, I'm open to any possibilites. On the bright side, I got the amp for free. The only thing I paid for was the speaker.

My father in the law is very good with electronics, he works at a local steel company and works on machines and whatever else there. He's done work before on some of my gear. So I'm hoping he can pinpoint it.
 
RideTheCrash said:
Oh yeah, I'm also curious about the positive and negative leads on the speaker. I know I mentioned it before, but I don't know if they are backwards that would have created the original airy sound. I'm just afraid if I switch I'm, I'll fry something. Or what about ohms? I know the speaker is 8 ohms, but I don't know what my amp expects.

As long as there is only one speaker, it doesn't matter which way you hook it up. Some purists will argue the benefits of positive absolute phase, but from a damaging-the-amp- standpoint, it makes no diff.
 
It's at least fifteen years overdue for a cap job, whether or not this is the immediate cause of the problem or not. Might be.
 
Yeah...the caps dry out right? So I would replace all of them? Is there a way to tell if they dried out?
 
RideTheCrash said:
Yeah...the caps dry out right? So I would replace all of them? Is there a way to tell if they dried out?
Caps are relatively inexpensive and they do dry out, especially if an amp has been unused for a long time, get it checked out, you'll avoid frying your amp.
 
Yeah, I think I probably should. Some guy gave it to my church about 2 years for free, I think it was sitting somewhere when he had it.

I also found this from a member on here while doing a search:
"Capacitors are also used as filters in the power supply, to smooth out the current from the diodes in the power supply. When a cap goes bad, quite often you will hear the effects of raw AC coming through the speaker - briefly."

Sounds like the possible reason that arcaxis mentioned, and sounds like my zap & hum problem.
 
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