help me build a g4 for pt/le digi 002. what do i need?

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hello everyone! this is my situation, i have a mackie mdr and a 24-8 and i am looking to let it go and get a mac g4 and digi 002 rack.
the problem is, i dont know much about computers so i am wondering what you all would do if you were getting a g4 for pt/le and had $1,300 to spend on just the computer(minus the monitor). what would you put inside of it? thanks!
-jay
 
http://www.apple.com/imac/

I like the Macs, but you do realize for that same amount of money, you could build or buy a PC that would slaughter that G4 speed-wise, right?

P4 2.8Ghz 800FSB
Asus P4P800 Deluxe
Crucial 512MB DDR400
Lite-On 52x24x52
Seagate 80+120gig SATA
ATI Radeon 7500 64MB DDR
Chieftec with included 450PS
Windows XP Home
Logitech Optical Desktop


$1,012.97

This machine is fully within Digidesign's compatibility requirements for the Digi002/R
 
wow, thats a good price! and no, did not realize that i could build one that would crush a g4.this might sound like a really stupid question but, what brand of pc is that? it looks like you have hand selected different parts from different co's. i like the g4 idea cause i dont know enough to hand select my own componants plus i hear that pt/le is more unstable in windows than with a mac, . i dont know the truth behind that though.

i do know that if i did buy a g4 i would more than likely wish i had built my own as i learn more. i had been thinking about heading up to my local comp usa and gettin a g4 but now im havin 2nd thoughts.
if i were to obtain all of the things you mentioned i would have each and everything needed to plug in and start recording right?
i would want to be able to have the room for lots of future upgrades. i hear a lot about dual processors and how you need them for running plug-ins and high edits. is it possable to have more than 2 processors??(as you can see i really dont know shit)
i would want the fastest processors i could get. also the ability to add more memory...a lot more as i need it. i would also like the ability (like the g4) to have multipule hard drives in the unit.

dam i wish i knew more. if i did than i could order this thing tonight. i am anxious but i dont want to regreat anything.
keep the info comin cause i do read,research, and consider what all of you post.
if you can post me some links for this stuff!
thanks-jay
 
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Those are all separate pieces selected from Newegg.com. In that system, you could have close to 4 gigs of RAM, and up to 4 internal hard drives (two EIDE, two SATA) plus onboard firewire.

You can go faster, up to 3.2Ghz if you want to.

Granted, if you haven't built your system before, you will want to do one of 3 things:

1. Read up and take the plunge and do it yourself.
2. Find a tech to put it together for you.
3. Buy from a DAW builder, such as DAWBOX.com. Bypass Carillion; nice stuff, but very expensive.

A special note would be that Digidesign also approves AMD systems using Via chipsets, in which case you can get considerable performance for a cheaper price.
 
Masked,

I am trying to hook up the same set up and am equally confused by the many computer choices for the 02 rack. I was thinking Mac power book myself. I also came across this deal at guitar center.com

http://www.guitarcenter.com/events/digioffer/index.shtml

which looks interesting. The good thing about it is you get the 17 inch flat screen included and similar memory and power as the Mac for hundreds less. I have also heard that Mac is the way to go for music production software so it's a tough call.

I too am kind of hoping to be spoonfed the correct info and then just get started recording. Why does everything have to be so complicated?

Polaris what is an AMD system using chipsets?

I'm like the idea of tech support as I am not a computer wiz either. I have been in contact with Sweetwater and have some quotes from them on g4 tower vs. laptop + 02 rack installed.

There has been a lot of good argument's here over tower vs. laptop/ home built vs. store bought/ the value of learning to build your own system/ DAW super computer builders/ etc. and it's got me full of possibley to many choices. I am gonna keep asking questions and poking around for a week or 2 longer before I take the plunge.
 
my 2cents....protools is mac and nuendo is pc..

I used to work G4 with protools (both Le and tdm) and it worked flawless...switched to nuendo on the G4 and it has been disaster...I'm getting myself a DAW builder PC for the system..

so from my hand on experience...
for protools mac is the way to go
for other softs...go pc

but for both you will have to know things about computers...it never works great all the time..
 
i just bought a system from www.dawbox.com and the owner(justin)was wwaaayyy cool and very helpfull and informative.
it will be here in 10 days. thanks again everyone!
 
I just talked to him yesterday! He was real helpful. I think he pitched me the same system. It has way more memory (twice) what the Guitar Center deal has with Gateway and is still less money with a dual processor. Pretty cool. What monitor did you go with?
 
don'tkill kenny said:
Masked,

I am trying to hook up the same set up and am equally confused by the many computer choices for the 02 rack. I was thinking Mac power book myself. I also came across this deal at guitar center.com

http://www.guitarcenter.com/events/digioffer/index.shtml

which looks interesting. The good thing about it is you get the 17 inch flat screen included and similar memory and power as the Mac for hundreds less. I have also heard that Mac is the way to go for music production software so it's a tough call.

I too am kind of hoping to be spoonfed the correct info and then just get started recording. Why does everything have to be so complicated?

Polaris what is an AMD system using chipsets?

I'm like the idea of tech support as I am not a computer wiz either. I have been in contact with Sweetwater and have some quotes from them on g4 tower vs. laptop + 02 rack installed.

There has been a lot of good argument's here over tower vs. laptop/ home built vs. store bought/ the value of learning to build your own system/ DAW super computer builders/ etc. and it's got me full of possibley to many choices. I am gonna keep asking questions and poking around for a week or 2 longer before I take the plunge.

$1700 for a computer that's not really expandable looks pretty pricey (the GC/Gateway deal).

I place a lot of value into DIY, but even if you go store bought, educate yourself about what goes into a system, and know what you buy.

I.E., know what RAM does what, what a chipset is and how important it is, drive speeds and the resulting effects on audio, etc.

You don't have to be a guru to know that the higher the drive speed and the proper chipset for a given audio card will result in less headaches.

Definition of chipset from WhatIs.com:

A chipset is a group of microchips designed to work and sold as a unit in performing one or more related functions. A typical chipset is the Intel 430HX PCIset for the Pentium microprocessor, a two-chip set that provides a Peripheral Component Interconnect bus controller and is designed for a business computer that "optimizes CPU, PCI and ISA transactions for faster, smoother multimedia performance in video conferencing, playback, and capture applications." This chipset includes support for the Universal Serial Bus (USB).

Basically, it facilitates communication between the busses, CPU, and peripherals.

In application to audio, some chipsets will work well with some sound cards and not others.

For example, some on this board will tell you Via (used in conjunction with AMD cpu's) are bad. Not entirely true. While they are not recommended for use with an Intel chip at all by any prosumer card manufacturer, they are recommended for use with an AMD cpu by Digidesign and Echo.

But in the case of RME, Aardvark, and M Audio, it seems to be that the nVidia nForce2 chipset works better when used with AMD cpu's.

Intel chipsets are definitely the most universal compatibility-wise.

To sum it up, when going AMD, use:

nForce2 or Via KT333 and up chipsets, depending on soundcard.

Intel use:

always Intel chipsets.

Always, Always, Always check the sound card manufacturer's compatibility and/or tech support pages before plunking down the money on a motherboard (or entire computer).
 
polaris wrote:



"I place a lot of value into DIY, but even if you go store bought, educate yourself about what goes into a system, and know what you buy.

I.E., know what RAM does what, what a chipset is and how important it is, drive speeds and the resulting effects on audio, etc.

You don't have to be a guru to know that the higher the drive speed and the proper chipset for a given audio card will result in less headaches.

Definition of chipset from WhatIs.com:


quote:
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A chipset is a group of microchips designed to work and sold as a unit in performing one or more related functions. A typical chipset is the Intel 430HX PCIset for the Pentium microprocessor, a two-chip set that provides a Peripheral Component Interconnect bus controller and is designed for a business computer that "optimizes CPU, PCI and ISA transactions for faster, smoother multimedia performance in video conferencing, playback, and capture applications." This chipset includes support for the Universal Serial Bus (USB).
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Basically, it facilitates communication between the busses, CPU, and peripherals.

In application to audio, some chipsets will work well with some sound cards and not others.

For example, some on this board will tell you Via (used in conjunction with AMD cpu's) are bad. Not entirely true. While they are not recommended for use with an Intel chip at all by any prosumer card manufacturer, they are recommended for use with an AMD cpu by Digidesign and Echo.

But in the case of RME, Aardvark, and M Audio, it seems to be that the nVidia nForce2 chipset works better when used with AMD cpu's.

Intel chipsets are definitely the most universal compatibility-wise.

To sum it up, when going AMD, use:

nForce2 or Via KT333 and up chipsets, depending on soundcard.

Intel use:

always Intel chipsets.

Always, Always, Always check the sound card manufacturer's compatibility and/or tech support pages before plunking down the money on a motherboard (or entire computer)."




polaris-all of that if foregin language to me unfortunately.

dont kill kenny-i dont know what monitor to get so im going to post a "best monitor for $400" thread.
 
Polaris20,
thank you for the info and advice. I am trying slowly to understand computers. I found a cool website on how to build your own http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/step/1/
I am going to go with a proffesionally built one for now, but am going to try and take your advice and learn from the experience. Maybe I will build one down the road.

maskedman72,
did you go with one of the straight up digi002 packages from dawbox? It seems like for a couple hundred more it would be worth going with the pro set up. Did you make any changes or upgrades? I'll be interested to see what comes up on the monitor front.

Kenny
 
yea i got the entry level 002 rack. the advanced one was the same thing upgraded a little bit more(2.8 chip and more ram) and i can do that myself. i added a second drive to mine. i hope im doing the right thing. this is my leap of faith into the computer recording world(ive never done it before on a computer...ever!). for the last 10 years i have been using my mackie 8 buss and it is stale now. no automation sucks.
 
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