Help a newbie!!!!

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I am in a band and we are going to start recording soon, probably towards the end of this month and i need some help deciding on a digital recorder and possibly a mixer. The recorder i am looking at right now is a fostex mr8 and i was wondering if that has good effects, eq, and pan. My budget is around 300 for the recorder. Any advice and information would be highly apreciated.
 
yeah i do buts its a peice of crap so thats out, and i cant afford a new laptop.
 
well, i will answer, then ask you a lot more.

the MR-8 is a very nice digital recorder. It runs uncompressed digital audio. It can be battery powered so it is very portable.
You can record upto 8 tracks (2 at a time).

Bad news...
When using the included CFCard, you have about 3 minutes of full fidelity recording time (when using all 8 tracks).

EQ....none

effects....so so

BUT NOW my questions
You and the band....
Are you going to record the BAND live?
If so, you will be going through a mixer board and take care of the EQ and effects there. you can send a stereo (or mono) send to the MR-8 and you got it.

Or are you going to TRACK it, and record everything individually, each insturment on a track, or do one at a time and stack them??
Heck, just the drum tracks add up fast...

With the Fostex and Zoom and most all of the other ones., you have 2 TRACK simul recording. unless you go way over the $300.00 price tag!!!!

The mixer/MR-8 combo will work great with either option once you learn the in's and out's of it!!

just something to think about ....
 
Also... do you have any recording experience?? Don't forget the learning curve that you face recording something that you will actually be happy with... especially on a $300 budget! And btw... what do you have mic wise?

ls
 
No i wont be recording the band live, yet anyways. And i dont have any recording expeirience but im not an idiot and im not saying that people who take a long time to figure out digital recorders are but im pretty smart and according to reviews both of the fostex and zoom recorders are fairly easy to use and of course theres the insturction booklet for help. The mixer on the other hand that im pretty cluless all the IMPs and Eq knobs. I just would like to know what would be a better recorder out of the 2 and if the mixer would be a good idea. Mic wise my singer has some shure mic. that cost him 150 so thats prolly pretty good and i will get another mic or two for drums. Also i have some questions about the recorders would it be better to get the mr8 or the zoom 4 tracks which has 8 v-tracks per track. Effects wont be an issue since im gunna have the recorder and same with eq but is the mixer even compatible with those recorder? How do you hook them up with eachother? Any infromation and advice would be apreiceited im pretty lost here still, help me out. Thanks
-Matt
 
well,...simply put the best one is the one you can operate well. I use the MR-8.

will you need a mixer.....HE!! yes.

just a foresight on what you are getting into.

if you are not redording live, you will have to record each musician individually.

so, you will have to start with the drummer. you can mike the kit with 2, but you will probably want more than two on it. Hence...a mixer is needed.

Now, he will need to play the song so you can record him.. the rest of the band will probably need to play along so he knows what to play, where the breaks are, etc, but ONLY RECORD the drums. if you are careful, there wont be too much bleed thru into the drum mikes.

now, you can PLAY back the drum track and record the bass guitar part.

once the basisit has his act together and it is caputred you can move on to the rythm guitar.

you get the picture...moving on from ONE insturment to the next, recording it while listening to the last recordings.

In a studio they have 72, 96 or even more channels they can record simulteanously...every single insturment and vocal has a mike, and it is recorded all at once. then you can go back with each individual and fix the boo-boos one at a time, one on one.
You on the other hand, can record 2, count them 2 tracks at a time.

You will definitely need a mixer for the eq and the mike pre-amps. and for the insert points for the compressors and outboard effects.

the mixer hooks up by taking the (main) OUTPUT of the mixer and plugging it into the INPUT of the MR-8. Very simple.

because it is a high level output, you should be able to leave the GAIN control all the way down on the recorder.

i see you looked at a behringer...the IMP
that is their trade name for an Invisible Mike Pre-amp. The mikes put out a very weak signal (electrically speaking) and the use of a PRE-AMP brings this signal up. Amplifying means that ... every thing...and i mean everything ...voice, hiss, rumble gets louder. If the PRE's aren't very good, the induce ALOT of their own noise raising the noise floor.

You know what an EQ does. the rotary controls do the same thing as the sliders. they allow you to adjust the volume (per say) of a frequency. It a tone control really. The controls are set on a specific frequency, just like the regular EQ's, with the numbers written at the bottom/top. They may be a little "WIDER" and effect a bigger frequency range, but still the same thing.

And the numbers on a regular EQ, those are the frequencies. If you want bass thump, you mess with the low EQ, 60 Hz or so.

each contols a range of frequencies.
but because we are dealing with a 3 band eq as opposed to 15 or 31 on a reagualr eq, they allow us to chance the center frequency on the mid ranges, so there are two controls on the mids.

A boost and gain, and a center freq.

you can then choose to boost +5, and choose to boost 1K, 1.5k, 10K, any freq. in the sweep range.


it is a big chore, but it is very rewarding in the end when you listen to YOUR mix!!!

good luck
 
Thanks alot, that was very helpful and answered most of my quesetions. I have just a couple more that have to do with live recording and the recorder . There are 5 members in the band, so can i record them all at once using the mixer and take up all the tracks and then go back and edit them? Also am i going to have to use mics that are expensive to record the drums? Also about the mr-8 and its memory, do you know of any brands that are compatible with it and arent too expensive? I checked some sites about the smart media cards and it said sandisk was compatible but it seemed cheap and all reviews say that the cards it takes are expensive this was only like 70 for 128mb. Thanks alot once again.
-matt
 
With the mr-8 you are limited to recording only 2 tracks at the same time. You won't be able to track each band member individually live at the same time. What you might want to look at is a soundcard with 8 inputs for recording. They will cost you more than the mr-8 but you need to look at the future before you buy the mr-8. It looks to me like you want to do more than the mr-8 is capable of doing
 
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