Hello (A Testimonial)

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Dear all,

I've been lurking, reading past threads in "Analog Only" after finding this BBS during a search for information on Tascam 80-8's. I'd like to thank you all for sharing your knowledge on these seemingly archaic technologies. I was scared to death about plunging into reel to reels, but your suggestions/tips/procedures have been helpful and increased my confidence that analog production can work for me.

After reading various installments of the infamous recurring 'analog versus digital' thread, it seems like user experiences are welcomed here. I would therefore like to explain my own past and future direction.

I began by making electronic music entirely in the box. Everything from the beginning waveform to the compression, EQ and mixing was digital. As time went by I started to collect analog versions of the software synths I rely on. The ease of wave manipulation, plugin selection and variation made life easy but my mixes always seemed to lack some life (I like referring to it as 'unf').

A few months back I won an auction on ebay consisting of a Tascam M30 8-channel mixer and a 34 series 4 track reel to reel. I also bought a cheap-ass Sony dual cassette deck from the local salvation army. Your past thread regarding packaging was a few months too late as the 34 was totally smashed in transit. The mixer, however, survived.

In the last two months I've experimented with piping my analog synths AND my vsts through the Tascam to cassette. All compression, mixing and EQ is done in analog. I then bounce the cassette back into the computer and do some final EQing and limiting.

My first listen to the recordings on cassette made my jaw drop. While my drums are currently provided by a vst simulation of a famous analog drum machine, their travels through a wonky old mixer and onto a cassette have breathed a life into them that has been, heretofore, absent. Once piped back into the DAW for EQ and limiting, tears came to my eyes as the phatness and subtle anomalies still exist but the mix becomes clearer thanks to plugins emulating hardware I'll never be able to afford.

This finds me setting out tonight to investigate a Tascam 80-8 with the DBX noise resistance machine. While I love what a cassette has done for my recordings, I can't wait to cut the hiss and gain better frequency response, as well as experiment with tape overdubbing and forced coloration (i.e. saturation/compression, bleed over, wow and flutter).

To summarize, I find value in having both digital and analog components in my studio. Even though I have a beautiful Roland tb-303 clone (x0xb0x) for dripping analog saw waves across the mix, I still find use for the digital recreation (phoscyon), and I doubt I'll ever have a 30-channel parabolic EQ in my rack. And so on.

I look forward to absorbing more of you collective wisdom in the time to come.

-C
 
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Wow...great post. I've just recently redisovered the beauty of cassette recording after a few years of working in the box myself. You bring up a point in your post that touches on a subject I've been wondering about myself-
What would you do if you had a cassette 4-track?
Mix down to your computer and then come back in to channels 1&2 on your portastudio for your bounce, leaving tracks 3&4 open
OR
Buy something like a 234 syncaset and mix down to channels 1&2 from your portastudio, then record onto tracks 3&4 using your portastudio as an external mixer.

I'm really leaning towards the latter...suggestions please.
 
Hey C,

Great post indeed and thanks for sharing. [So sorry 'bout that smashed 34 though :( ]. I'll try to do better on bumping that "packing / shipping" thread more often. On the other hand I always recommend buying local [or pickup], as a first line of action, leaving the shipping as a last, last, last, last, resort but with cautions stamped all over the place.

Cassette CAN sound amazing:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=351160

This is ksounds work and can you believe it was done on a TASCAM 246?

The 80-8 is a fine machine but very old right now, introduced in '76 I believe. It will require more than the usual maintenance. I'd opt to go with something more recent and ALWAYS local pickup / condition takes precedence over the make / model of the machine. Are you in need of more than 4 tracks? If not then look for 4 - 8 track machines and these are plentiful, especially from TASCAM and some TEAC.
 
If you are going to check out that link, may I suggest some headphones for maximum effect :D
 
ksounds said:
may I suggest some headphones for maximum effect :D

Yup, highly recommended. Good point. I was listenning through my Sony MDR's and was able to appreciate all the minute elements of this production in all its glory. Shitty computer speakers ain't gonna do. ;)
 
Alright-

I just got home with the thing. I had to pick it up. For $300, I got: the 80-8, the DX-8, a giant cabinet for the both of them, complete manuals and multitrack primer, and a Korg DDD-1.

A buddy of mine who is a tape enthusiast came along and gave it a checkup. The transport is solid and we had recording/playback on 5 of the channels. All 8 channels played back a prerecorded tape. He figures it just needs cleaning and adjustment.

Stay tuned for pictures of my baby after it is cleaned up :)

-C
 
While you're at it, order a brand new pinch roller [or have it re-rubbered] and also a capstan belt, if these were not changed recently. That's not optional and must be done.
 
No one has any thoughts about my question concerning bouncing to the computer vs. mixing down to the 234 and having two open tracks left to track on? Speaking of 234's, if anyone has one they would like to sell shoot me a pm. Sorry, not trying to bump this thread, can't wait to see the pics!
 
ksounds said:
No one has any thoughts about my question concerning bouncing to the computer vs. mixing down to the 234 and having two open tracks left to track on?

I'd probably pump it through to my computer and then back, to free up the tracks. That is, of course, if I had a fairly clean sound card, which I do. On the other hand, if I had another cass 4 track [I don't], I'd probably experiment that way too and see what I like better.
 
Hah-

Yeah, the name may suggest dub. I actually make techno, typically acid.
 
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