Heavy Metal/Hardcore Guitar Recording.

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ecktronic said:
Try using a 57 and a 58 together close miced. One on each speaker and listen out for phasing problems as there are 2 mics.
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Totally off the subject, but what exactly would indicate phasing problems in this instance, what would one listen for? :confused:
 
i think both of those clips might have to much low end. it's really hard to tell though since it's not in a mix. you have to remember that a lot of the time......actually probably most of the time what you think sounds great solo'd probably isn't going to sound great in a mix with drums, vocals, and bass.
 
xbrianx said:
...So far, if I don't tell someone, they can't even tell. Usually all I hear is "sick guitar tone" or "the guitar tone is so fucking awesome" but never "HOLY SHIT! YOU USED A PODXT FOR THAT YOU TOOLSHED!"


Don't ask, don't tell :cool:
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Coulnd't agree with you more. The XT rocks and is tough to beat once you do some tweaking. Plus, it's 10x easier to setup and throw in a mix than the real thing. :D
 
cellardweller said:
hmmm. I've "heard" much to the contrary as to the 4X12 recording theory.
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Depends. If you are only close miking a single speaker you don't need a 4x12. Personally I think that sound is bad. I like to pair close mics with distant ones.

Putting a condenser about 6' back from an amp is great for vibe because you catch the tone of the 4x12 cabinet.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
Putting a condenser about 6' back from an amp is great for vibe because you catch the tone of the 4x12 cabinet.
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What if the only condensor you have is an SPB1, which was only being supplied with 15V phantom?

I've not had good results so far using this, obviously less than optimal, setup. I can't be sure if it's the mic, the placement, the pre's, or the lack of adequate phantom...

care to take a guess? :eek:
 
IMHO the most important thing for electric guitar is the amp, then the mixer/preamp, then the room, then the mic.
 
There is definately too much bottom on that and no kick drum will cut the mix with that in there, It just doesnt sound big enough to me but that might be solved with layering
 
Phasing is quite noticeable, but sometimes can be less noticeable. If its 57 and 58 your listening for phasing from have them both centre panned. Listen real carefull, if you dont hear a strange kinda computery almost chorus phasey sound (its a constant sound not a wavey sound) zoom right in on the waves and see if they are lined up at similar peaks. Cubase sx, pro tools and wavelab are good for zooming right in on the wave and then using the transport line that goes vertically down the screen to check for phasing.
 
cellardweller said:
What if the only condensor you have is an SPB1, which was only being supplied with 15V phantom?

I've not had good results so far using this, obviously less than optimal, setup. I can't be sure if it's the mic, the placement, the pre's, or the lack of adequate phantom...

care to take a guess? :eek:
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Well, the lack of sufficient phantom supply voltage is going to limit your dynamic headroom. Depends on what you are hearing. If it's muddy, shitty, and really clippy sonic mess then i would guess its the phantom. If it's just a lifeless sounding output it may be your preamp.

.....then again it might be Mr. Peanut the Pickle to turn your recording hobby into pure hell. :D
 
producerkid said:
Well, the lack of sufficient phantom supply voltage is going to limit your dynamic headroom. Depends on what you are hearing. If it's muddy, shitty, and really clippy sonic mess then i would guess its the phantom. If it's just a lifeless sounding output it may be your preamp.

.....then again it might be Mr. Peanut the Pickle to turn your recording hobby into pure hell. :D
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I'm going to say all of the above. It was hard to maintain a decent level without occasionally clipping, seemed to have a lot of low-mid to it, and was otherwise lifeless...

but remember he IS NOT the real Mr. Peanut...
 
I record a lot of hardcore bands - and havn't read what other guys have wrote on this thread...but here's what I'd say:

sounds computerized, not powerful enough for a hardcore recording. sounds really electronic...if that makes sence - probably coming from too much distortion to be honest...or cheap distortion?

for metal, I think it could work great.
but for hardcore, I tihnk it sohuld be more airy, and in your face - which of course also comes from a bit of mixing. But don't need to really over proccess this crap, try to get it good from the amp/cab.

I got some SWEET distorted guitars on (of course) a buddy's mesa boogie, it sounded amazing...haha.


oh yeah, and more mid.
 
This friday I am having lunch with the studio engeneer from where I intern at. He's had a shit load of expierence in recording heavy metal/hardcore stuff. I'm bringing a notepad and a pen.

Saturday I'll post my notes up and see what you guys think. Thanks again!
 
enferno said:
This friday I am having lunch with the studio engeneer from where I intern at. He's had a shit load of expierence in recording heavy metal/hardcore stuff. I'm bringing a notepad and a pen.

Saturday I'll post my notes up and see what you guys think. Thanks again!
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sounds cool
 
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