Has Studio Projects lost it's edge?

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At the time, Chinese mics were pretty new to the American market, and some had (and some still do have) an annoyingly bright, harsh top end. Claims (like the C1/U87 sounding identical) were bouncing around the Internet, and it was probably split 50/50, with some people lavishly praising them, and some condemning them to the bowels of Hell. The truth was probably somewhere in between.

Some of the mic manufacturers asked me to give their products a listen and I did. I found some pretty good mics - and some not so good mics in their lines. All of my "reviews" were for rec.audio.pro, a newsgroup primarily for professional engineers and producers (at the time, it was), and Weston Ray copied some of my comments here, since I was discussing low cost, good value mics.

My first review of a mic was the Neumann TLM103. My "review" consisted of a country recording, where all the acoustic stuff (guitars, mandolins, vocals, etc.) were all done with the Neumann 103.

As some of you older members may recall, Alan Hyatt and I got into some pretty heated debates over the Studio Projects mics, but I found all of their mics to be pretty decent, with the T3 being outstanding.

In the MXL line, I found four mics to be a great value: the 603, V67, V77, and V69. I was pretty harsh about their 2001 and 600 series mics.

With Oktava, I really like the MC012 and that unit with the 33mm LOMO head as well. I thought the 319 was OK, and didn't care for the 219.

Since then, I've recommended the Behringer ECM8000, the ADK Hamburgs and Viennas, the Joe Meeks JM47, and the MXL 960 as being decent mics for the money. But all these mics are just tools; used correctly, you should be able to make a decent recording with any of them.

Studio Projects, MXL, ADK, Peluso, and Rode are pushing the envelope of low cost mic designs. Chinese mics are getting better and better. "Reviewing" mics has always made me a little nervous, since my ears ain't your ears. That's why I've tried to spend most of my time here, discussing basic concepts, mic placements, and when to use what where, without refering to specific mic models and brands.

With a few exceptions, most microphones will do a credible job on most sources - if you know how to use the damn mic in the first place. Is there one perfect vocal mic? For your voice, there are probably 10 great vocal mics, but you'll hafta find them; nobody here can do that for you.

Mics have resonances; so does your voice. How those resonances interact will determine whether a mic is a good match for your voice. Change the key or the style, and all bets are off. Start looking again. It ain't about accuracy; it's all about whether a mic flatters your voice on a particular song.

So yeah, you won't see me on here talking up any mic, unless I think it's a good value, nor will you see me blasting somebody, unless they're making outrageous claims, or making unfounded statements and presenting them as facts.
 
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Since when have Beyer mics been made in China?

Have you been smoking that funny looking tobacco again, Nik?
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Claims (like the C1/U87 sounding identical) were bouncing around the Internet, and it was probably split 50/50, with some people lavishly praising them, and some condemning them to the bowels of Hell. The truth was probably somewhere in between.

As it is with almost any microphone in any price range Chinese or not.
 
noisedude said:
Well I guess they must've been doing something right because Alan thought they were good enough to poach Brent Casey from them .... :eek:
yeah, thats kinda where i was going with this....if MXL was just doing "off the shelf" mics like Alan claimed, why headhunt their designer?......
 
TragikRemix said:
boot cut. :eek:

would you believe friggin kids these days! paying $75+ for a pair of RIPPED jeans!

why, back in my day....

actually, i buy all my clothes at the major stores- but on the sale racks :D

shit, i take the money i save and buy equiptment :cool:

Hah-see, I shop at the Salvation Army ;-).
 
Gidge said:
yeah, thats kinda where i was going with this....if MXL was just doing "off the shelf" mics like Alan claimed, why headhunt their designer?......
Actually, Alan didn't "headhunt" Brent; I was the one that suggested Brent talk to Alan.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Actually, Alan didn't "headhunt" Brent; I was the one that suggested Brent talk to Alan.

it was just an expression playing off noisedude's "poach" comment.....

i know ZERO about SP's operations or how they acquired Brent.....thats noisedudes job.....
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Mics have resonances; so does your voice. How those resonances interact will determine whether a mic is a good match for your voice. Change the key or the style, and all bets are off. Start looking again. It ain't about accuracy; it's all about whether a mic flatters your voice on a particular song.

Best post on any forum in a while. Thanks Harvey.
 
And for the record

bell bottoms, flares, and boot-cut are all different things.
 
Mxl 960?

Don't you mean 990?

That's the one I heard you say was a pretty good vocal mic on some sources.

I'll have to go look up your JM comments, I must've missed 'em.

That's what happens when you spend time in the Cave instead of here. :o
 
Sure

zacanger said:
Erm, really? Care to elaborate?

These aren't just different names for the same thing. If I had time right now, I'd find some pics but that'll have to wait. Actually, if I had the time I could probably dig up some of my own from the archives. I save way too much sh*t.

Anyway, bell bottoms are the largest bottomed. There are many different sizes, but at a minimum, a bb would just about cover the front of your shoe depending on how your standing. They were also generally kind of floppy. You definitely did not have a crease in those, they just kind of hung. They were originally part of a sailor's uniform. Not really sure what purpose the bell served to sailors. Bell bottoms were (originally) associated with youth of the late 60's, the hippie wannabes. My favorite Clapton song of all time is Bell Bottom Blues.

Flares, on the other hand, were sort of conservative bell bottoms. Same basic shape, but a very small bell, so that the bottom just sort of 'flared' out a little. Would probably cover about 3/4 of your shoe. Some didn't have a crease, but most did. they evetually became the norm for men's dress pants for a long time. Associated with the 70's onward. It's what we wore with our platform shoes during the disco era.

Boot cut is just that. It comes out a little just below the knee and then goes relatively straight down, giving you just enough room for cowboy boots while being just barely loose. I don't know how far back they go, I would asume a long time. Became more popular in the mainstream with the popularity of 'Urban Cowboy', and the more popular country music becomes, so do they.

God I know some useless shit, don't I?
 
Mark7 said:
Since when have Beyer mics been made in China?

Have you been smoking that funny looking tobacco again, Nik?
The cheap condensers they were selling through Thomann were exactly the same as the t-Bone branded stuff. They're not really around any more (although they do still have an SDC that looks the same as the old AKD SC-1, JM27 etc), I remember them being in the MCE range.

And I don't smoke dope! :mad:
 
Gidge said:
it was just an expression playing off noisedude's "poach" comment.....

i know ZERO about SP's operations or how they acquired Brent.....thats noisedudes job.....
Everyone knows that one of the best things about web forums is playing fast and loose with ill-informed gossip. Actually I know nothing about how they got him, just that they all regard each other very highly.
 
notCardio said:
Don't you mean 990?

That's the one I heard you say was a pretty good vocal mic on some sources.

I'll have to go look up your JM comments, I must've missed 'em.

That's what happens when you spend time in the Cave instead of here. :o
No, MXL makes a 960 for Musician's friend that runs around $200, looks very much like a Neumann U47, and is basically a V69ME in a bigger body. I really like that mic.

I don't remember if I commented on the JM47 here. Alan sent me one to try and I liked it. I hadda send it back, but I'm gonna buy one.
 
Hey Harvey

this is a post of yours from 10-05-05. This is what I was referring to. I think you elaborated further in the thread.

' Strange. We just finished the new "Feds" album a few weeks ago. Looks like they're switching from Capitol Records to Columbia/Sony. Columbia/Sony loved the album and was especially complimentary about the production and the recording. All the vocals on the new Feds album were done with an MXL V69ME - AND an MXL 990 !!!

So, maybe that should answer the question of whether a 990 is good enough for professional work; Columbia/Sony seems to think so. '
 
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