Has anyone added subwoofers to M Audio SP5B monitors?

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I have been interested in improving the sound quality (get rid bass boom in my mixes) of my monitors by adding some subwoofers to my M Audio SP5B active nearfield monitors. Wondering... has anyone out there ever added a subwoofer to them. Did it help remove boom and mud from your mixes? Normally can one add a subwoofer to any kind of monitor? M-AUDIO makes SBX 120-Watt Studio Subwoofers with Stereo Bass Management that will work in relation to my SP5B's.
 
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You can add any sub you like, but the M-Audio one is probably designed to compliment your existing monitors.

I just ordered a KRK RP-10 sub, so I may have a better answer in a few days!
 
MadAudio... What are you currently monitoring through?

I'd love to here what you think of your new sub.
 
Wharfedale Diamond Pro 8.2 actives.

Yeah I'll definitely let you know what I think once I get it hooked in and mess with it awhile.
 
MadAudio said:
Wharfedale Diamond Pro 8.2 actives.
I have heard alot of good things about those monitors in one of these forums. Sounds like you are happy with them if you are adding to them.
 
I've never looked at a sub - so I'm not sure how they are wired into a system.

Please explain

As an example, if my main reference speakers are Tannoy Reveals with terminals to accept wire and my power amp has terminals - how do I wire in a sub??

Do I run wires from one of the main speakers? Do I need a Y splitter? Does that divert some of the signal to the main montior? Do I need another amp for the sub?

I know my mixes well on my system and I'm not sure I would even be interesed in a sub - but I find myself wondering how to hook one up (and this will save me the effort of actually doing research :D
 
mikeh said:
I've never looked at a sub - so I'm not sure how they are wired into a system.

Please explain

As an example, if my main reference speakers are Tannoy Reveals with terminals to accept wire and my power amp has terminals - how do I wire in a sub??

Do I run wires from one of the main speakers? Do I need a Y splitter? Does that divert some of the signal to the main montior? Do I need another amp for the sub?

I know my mixes well on my system and I'm not sure I would even be interesed in a sub - but I find myself wondering how to hook one up (and this will save me the effort of actually doing research :D

mikeh... I don't kknow much about it either... but I am finding out more. This is how I understand it (at least it's how I understand the one that I am looking into getting). The sound from your mixer comes out and into the sub. The sub outputs to the pair of monitors. The sub that I am looking into has an input that routes through a lowshelf eq for the sub and a high shelf EQ one for the other monitors. The advntage that I see is that you monitors no longer have to work that hard on the low end. You can set the cross over frequency on the sub. To me it all sounds pretty good, and I don't have to get new monitors, just the sub.

I'm interested in the subs because my mixes are too boomy. My monitors are active. The sub I am interested in doesn't need an amp. So I don;t think that you need an amp to add them.
 
sub?

Personally, I don't like the idea of adding a sub to my monitoring set-up. At least at my current level. I currently use Alesis Monitor Ones MkIIs amplified with the Alesis RA-300. In the past when DJ mixing with a sub, the bass kick seems to separate from the rest of the sounds making monitoring more difficult. Maybe the stuff I was using was crap; but I didn't like it one bit.
 
thane1200 said:
Personally, I don't like the idea of adding a sub to my monitoring set-up. At least at my current level. I currently use Alesis Monitor Ones MkIIs amplified with the Alesis RA-300. In the past when DJ mixing with a sub, the bass kick seems to separate from the rest of the sounds making monitoring more difficult. Maybe the stuff I was using was crap; but I didn't like it one bit.
Hmmm... that's something to keep in mind.
 
Ah, Miggs. Good timing. I just dropped a related post into another thread yesterday about the BX5s, the later version of your monitors. I'm not exactly how the two versions compare, but maybe my approach is worth a try. I've copied my post below.

If you do decide to add a sub, which has really made a great difference for me, I think it's important not to overdo it. Spend enough time tweaking the settings so that the sub only fills in the low end, rather than dominating it.
I've spent some time doing so, and now I'm not at all aware of the sub; I hear everything I heard from my BX5s before, but the low-end is now present in a nicely balanced way that makes mixing a heckuva lot easier for me.

Best, J.

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A suggestion for anyone considering M-Audio BX5s...

What I like most about these babies is their adaptability switches for a variety of environmental issues. Like most people who've heard them, I really like their crystal clear mids and highs while noting that their low-end (like most 5" monitors) can be challenging to mix with. The mids and highs of my recordings always translated well to other systems although mixing the lows was always a trial-and-error approach: burn a copy, try it on other systems, and and then try again until the sound was right. A lot of wasted time.

I'd agree with others that the M-Audio SBX would be the way to go. It integrates very well and solves to low-end problems--if you have $350 to spare.

I've been buying other equipment for my little studio, though, and have been holding off on the SBX sub, hoping for a price break--at least I was, until I found an excellent temporary fix.

I spent some days searching for a much cheaper sub that would integrate well with the BX5s, and I finally found one: the Wharfedale PowerCube. Because I have such limited physical space, I bought the 8"/100-watt model for $99 but noticed that the 10" model was available for $125 (+ shipping.)

The 8" model sounds great, at least for my jazz-fusion music at the medium volumes I like to work with. I can't speak for other types of music, higher sound levels, or a larger studio space.

I believe that this Wharfedale sub is a great budget find for the following reasons:

* it has RCA line ins and outs, so there's no messing with speaker wires. Just plug and go. Most subs at this price don't offer both line ins and outs.

* it has an adjustable crossover, so I've set the low-end cut on the BX5s to 80Hz and the sub's crossover at 80Hz. Easy.

* it has a phase switch, which made a big difference in my set-up.

* the sound is well integrated and, in particular, lacking any boominess or low-end mush. In fact, I'm wondering if the small 8" model (down to 40 Hz)might even be preferable since the low-end is so damned punchy and tight now. It just brings my whole monitoring set-up alive--I can't stop listening to them for pure music enjoyment.

Best of all, after taking an hour to tweak the settings, my first sample mix translated beautifully to other stereo systems. No more guessing about low-end response. For $120 (shipped), I have a workable system that actually sounds killer. One day, I may move up to the SBX sub, but then again, I may not. For now, this budget monitoring system works well for me, and I have some extra money to spend on all the other equipment I need.

http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/powercube.htm

When I bought the Wharf sub a week ago, I thought I could use it with my office computer if it didn't work well with my BX5s in my music studio. But it ain't going nowhere for a good long while. It's a cheap fix that works much better than I'd hoped.

Best of luck in your own search,

J.

P.S. I bought my sub from www.audioadvisor.com but I see that they've recently sold out their smaller Wharf subs.
 
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Miggs,

Thanks for the info - so I guess if I give any consideration to a sub, I'll have to look at the specs on the sub to confirm that it provides the needed crossover capabilities.
 
jeffree... wow!!! thanks. Great info. I'll check into them.

But I was wondering why you prefer RCA jacks? Isn't the sound quality less that of 1/4"/trs and XLR connections?

Incidentally I have been hearing alot lately about Wharfedale speakers and monitors. They seem to be exceptional quality at low cost.
 
mikeh said:
...I guess if I give any consideration to a sub, I'll have to look at the specs on the sub to confirm that it provides the needed crossover capabilities.
Yes... as I now understand that would be a basic feature that one would want. Also, either your nearfield monitors should have some kind of a hi shelf eq, or the sub itself (as in MAudio's SBX sub) should have a hi shelf eq on the output to your monitors.
 
Miggs, it's not that I *prefer* RCA jacks, but that's about all you'll find on budget consumer gear. In fact, the Whaf sub was the only one I found (and I looked at quite a few--Yamaha, Sony, etc.) that had both line ins and outs. And to be honest, I doubt that the RCA input will lose much if any of the signal. The cables I bought have an RCA male on one end and a 1/4" male on the other. They work fine, with no added noise.

Yes, it would certainly be best if *either* your sub or monitor has some sort of low-freq cut-off. The BX5s are great because they have a low-cut at either 80 or 100Hz.
Then, I just set the sub's crossover at the same frequency and the sound is seamless. If your SP5B has a low cut-off, you're all set. Otherwise, you'll have some bass overlap which could muddy up the low end. You'd just have to try it to see how it sounds. Otherwise, if you buy the more expensive M-Audio SBX sub, you'll have its special built-in crossover that automatically splits the signal and routes all freqs below your specified point to the sub (and all freqs above that point to the monitors). Very nice, but more expensive.

I hope this helps. Good luck to you. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.

J.
 
jeffree said:
Let us know what you decide and how it goes.
Will do, however it won't be for a few months. I am going to check on our SP5B's. not sure if they have the lo cut or not. (Our studio is at my brothers house. I'll check over the weekend.)

Thanks for all your input, jeffree and everyone.
 
You're welcome, Miggs. One last thing--do remember that my Wharf sub was just an ultra-cheap fix for me, even if it turned out to work surprsingly well. If I didn't have other equipment to buy soon, I would have bought the M-Audio SBX sub, which is matched to the BX5s, and never looked back.

Best,

J.
 
jeffree said:
....I would have bought the M-Audio SBX sub, which is matched to the BX5s, and never looked back.
I think that's what I'm gonna do.
 
Miggs6 said:
I'd love to hear what you think of your new sub.
Well I got home last night to find my KRK RP-10S waiting for me (thanks deepwater!). Man, it's a heavy cube! 42 pounds! And of course after unpacking it I realized that I had no cables to hook it up and no spare outlet to plug it into! I'm gonna fire up the soldering iron tonight to make the cables, but I need to swap some stuff around in order to power the sub. I'll keep you posted.
 
Finally hooked up my KRK RP-10, and this thing ROCKS! It's a really nice compliment to my Wharfedale 8.2a's. I can't wait to hear my new mixes through some different sources.
 
Congrats, Mad. Despite my past resistance to using a sub for mixing, I've recently found that small monitors can really benefit from adding one. Unless I move up to larger monitors, I doubt I'll ever return to a non-sub system.

One other thing I've learned, though--after you get over your initial enjoyment of the new-found low end, don't overdo it. Take plenty of time with reference CDs and transfering samples to other systems to tweak everything so that the sub integrates smoothly without dominating.

Enjoy,

J.
 
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