Harvey,Sjoko,Ed,Bruce or anyone else who knows

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I'm thinking about plunking down a hunk of cash on a good pre, the ones in the lineup so far are

Amek 9098 pre/eq
Amek 9098 Dual mic pre
Brent Averill Neve 1272
Brent Averill Neve 1073 (if available)
Vintech Neve 1272 copy
Vintech Neve 1073 copy
Grace 101

Does the new Amek 9098 Pre/Eq sound as 'good' as the the original Neve 1073 or 1272?

Have any of you heard the Vintech ( http://www.vintech-audio.com/ ) reproductions of the 1073 / 1272, if so are they close to the originals in sound?

Is the Grace really in the same league as the others?

Any general opinions on the Amek or Vintech stuff would be appreciated.

Thanks Guys :D
 
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The Amek 9098 is in the same league as the Blue focusrite only its more musical to my ears. How ever it's not as effective as the Focusrite. Depending on your needs I would choose between the two.
The Amek mic pre is also a good pre but I think if you are plunking down money you can find better like........
The Neve 1073 you mentioned is IMHO the killer of the list.
If you go for the 1081 series you might find a more flexabile EQ but you cant go wrong with the 1073 (the 1272 is also great).

The Vintech copy I havnt heard but I ask a collegue who recomendend you stick with the real thing.

As of Grace...I know very little.

If you have some money then consider a deal offered to me by Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer.
He offered me a set of RCA solid state pre's called BA-11C for $800 racked and all. I would buy them if I hadnt already bought a pair for a few hundred $ more then his price offer :rolleyes: .
They kick ass... fat and sweet. It ended my search for recording bass - OH's and many vocalists.
 
Thanks for the advice, I've heard some really great things about the Focusrites.

:)
 
I'm still shopping for a mic pre in this line-up as well, so this topic is of great interest to me too.
Shailat said:
The Amek 9098 is in the same league as the Blue focusrite only its more musical to my ears. How ever it's not as effective as the Focusrite...
Shailat, can you elaborate on this? What do you mean by "...not as effective"?
 
I don't know what level or price we are talking, but I want to add my mileage.....

Check out the..Focusrite ISA 430.... $3000..

Gate, comp, and eq all in one... with digital 1/0 option...

To be fair, I haven't really heard anything recorded nor have I done any A/B testing with those other brands, so my answer is biased

I can say, It was friggin awesome...... So much depth and clarity.....


Im not really a "pre-guy"... In fact at the moment I don't even have a pre... but I remember when I would be at a pro recording equipment dealer or at another studio, and I would tell them that I had a Focusrite ISA 430, everyone was always impressed......

Go out Pre shopping, and check them all out with your ears... they will guide you..
 
Hmmm... OK.
Everyone always says: "Check them out before you buy." But how do you check out vintage/higher end equipment when places like G/C and Mars carry only the latest "pro-summer gear? No one in my city is going to have a racked version of the Neve 1073 or Neve 31102. And I live in a big city. I may be able to get one of those places to special order something like that, but I'd have to commit to buying it "sight unseen" and plunk down 15 or 20%, and pay them their cut to get them top do it.
Guess I should have gone to NAMM.:(
 
When I said effective I meant percise. It is a wonderfull mastering tool and can latch on to a freq. with amazing percision.

Michael,

I understand what you are saying but you have two choices.
1. To locate a studio near you and see if you can hear it by trying it out.
2. You can trust others ears and buy on that basis.
They have been tested and used by thousands over many years and so you might go with the crowd.

Although as Voxvender has said - Focusrite make excellent stuff (the top of the line and not the lower end mid priced all in one box's), to spend $3000 for gear like that you have to be rich or a commercial studio to justify such an expense.

I really urge you to look into the RCA pre's I mentioned above. They are a vintage pair and are simply wonderfull. Although they are no more then pre's (no EQ etc....) They are worth every cent.
I bought a pair for myself for the house after using a pair in the studio for a period of 4 years.
If you ask the "Racker.." he can add a few small things like turning it into a semi DI or adding different impendance options.
For $800 a pair, it's a steal. I could be wrong but from what I know there are about 200 of them in the world so they can become a collectors item as well :).
 
OK, where can I get a hold of Stephan Sank? Can I view the units on-line somewhere? I posted a thread earlier describing what I was looking for in a mic pre:
...But I think I can be a little more specific than "What's the best mic pre for under $200!"
I record primarily solo piano, of the large grand type, and ocassionally vocals of the sultry female varitey. Once in a great while my own voice as well (high tenor to low alto)
What I'm striving for is a sort of period sound. Sort of "Cole Porter-esq." Or "Nat King Cole-ish." Or, at the risk of modernizing the period, sort of "Harry Connick Jr-y" You know the sound, slow, soft, warm, not too airy? But with a clear top end.
At any rate, I'd like to spend around $1100 to $1200 for one, maybe more if I had to. Dual channels is a must!
I'm pretty sure I have the mics to achieve this period sound, and my current mic pre, an ART PRO MPA, Dual Channel-Professional-Tube-ified-Microphone-Preamplifer-Extraordinaire, is ...OK, but I'm looking for something a little more... I dunno, "higher-end"? Less "pro-summer" more pro.
Any ideas?

Sorry Vox, I didn't mean to step on your thread.
 
Shailat said:

Although as Voxvender has said - Focusrite make excellent stuff (the top of the line and not the lower end mid priced all in one box's), to spend $3000 for gear like that you have to be rich or a commercial studio to justify such an expense.


Funny, you say that, cause thats exactly why I got rid of it..


Yeah, Im not much of a fan of the all in one platinum series.... My ISA 430 was an all in one, actually it's called the "Producer's Pack"... But, thats a different all in one than the platinum series.....It's Handy for travelling pro producers who want all the awsome, high end stuff in one box thats easy to travel with..
 
Here is his address:
Email: bk11@thuntek.net
Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co.
http://stephensank.com
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806@yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11@thuntek.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer


The pair he had for sale were his own and I hope he still has it.
Tell him what you want it for and ask him what he thinks. I found
him to be a real nice guy and he will send you pics and all.
 
vox said:
I'm thinking about plunking down a hunk of cash on a good pre, the ones in the lineup so far are

Does the new Amek 9098 Pre/Eq sound as 'good' as the the original Neve 1073 or 1272?

Thanks Guys :D

I have always been partial to the Neve 1089's and 1272's. They have a flavor and sound that is very pleasing, but I agree, before you plop down big money, see if you can either rent one or two for comparison.

I am not sure if it will help you, but I did a mic pre comparison with a Neve 1089, Focusrite Red, V72, Trident A Range, and a Joemeek VC1Qcs all through the Studio Projects mics, but if you think it will help, I am happy to send you the CD. It was a fair test and came out well. Done all on Pro Tools with 24 bit Apogee converters.

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
 
http://www.3daudioinc.com/

The 3DAudioinc.com microphone and preamp comparison CDs are useful tools if your CD playback system is sufficiently revealing. The producer of those CDs (Mr. Lynn Fuston) is up-front about the limitations of any such comparison recording. Nevertheless, even at the delivered price of $110, the 3 CD set is a great bargain if it points you towards (or away from) even one high-end mic or preamp purchase.

The differences among microphones are such that one might hear meaningful differences on any stereo (but don't be too surprised if you think the SM 57 sounds better than some mics costing 10 times as much). However, the differences among preamps are MUCH more subtle, and on some stereo systems, one might not hear any differences at all.

In my blind listening evaluations on an almost painfully revealing full-range playback system, all of the preamps sounded very good, and a dozen of them were outstanding. However, to my ears, there were three preamps that were more engaging, more musical, and seemed to "get out of the way" more successfully than the other 31.

Remember, I was doing a blind listening test, so I had no idea which three I had picked until I was finished listening. While your experience and listening preferences may be different, these were my three favorites.

1.) Earthworks Lab 102 (absolutely neutral -- tremendous drive and immediacy, caused uncontrollable toe tapping and head-bobbing, even after listening to the same assortment of half-minute musical phrases 30 times);

2.) Grace Design 201 (made the rather irritating male vocal takes sound listenable -- still more neutral and engaging than all but the Earthworks, but leaning very slightly toward a compelling sweetness); and,

3.) Neve 1081 (it didn't have the neutrality or sheer clarity of the other two, but it matched the drive and immediacy of the Earthworks and Grace Design in a way that was highly musical).

Again, there were probably 10 others that I would be THRILLED to have, but I thought the ones that stood out at the very edge of resolution, drive, clarity and musicality were worth mentioning.

Here's the list of preamps gathered for the listening test:

Amek 9098 Dual Mic Amp
Aphex 1100-Tube
API 512
ART Tube Channel
Audio Upgrades High-Speed Mic Preamp
Avalon VT-737
Buzz MA-2
Cranesong Flamingo
Daking 52270
dbx 386
dbx 786
D.W. Fearn VT-2
Earthworks LAB 102
Focusrite Red 1
Focusrite ISA 110
Focusrite 430-Producer Pack
GML 8300
Grace Design 201
Great River MP-2MH
Hardy M-1
Langevin
Mackie 1604 VLZ Pro
Manley Dual Mono
Martech MSS-10
Millennia HV-3B
Millennia M-2B-tube
Neve 1081
Oram MWS
Presonus MP20
Sytek
Telefunken V-76
Vac Rac
Vintech

Another wonderful resource is the "Project Sessions" disc, which is available through Alan Hyatt to forum participants without charge. I gave my detailed impressions of that disc elsewhere (about preamps I had never heard of), and only after posting my results did Alan tell me how much the ones I liked cost. Let's just say my ears apparently prefer very expensive electronics -- darn! If you're interested, do a search on "Mark H." and look for Comments on the "Project Sessions" CD. Email Alan with your mailing address if you'd like PMI Audio to mail you a copy of the CD.

Best wishes,

Mark H.

P. S. I'm *not* "anyone else who knows"; I'm a newbie groping my way through the dark, trying to learn as much as I can, and I'm grateful for the help I get from more experienced forum participants. When I re-read the title of this thread, I suddenly felt my participation was presumptuous and wanted to add this disclaimer. MH
 
Re: Re: Harvey,Sjoko,Ed,Bruce or anyone else who knows

alanhyatt said:


I am happy to send you the CD. It was a fair test and came out well. Done all on Pro Tools with 24 bit Apogee converters.

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group


Thanks Alan, that would be great, should I just email you?


Mark H,
your advice was both good AND welcome and from your comments it would seem that you have a damn good pair of ears!
thanks. :)
 
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