hard pan

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djclueveli said:
does hard pan mean pan 100% left and 100% right?
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That's what I would take it to mean. Anything else is generally just called panned, as in 50%, or 9 oclock, or something.
 
yeah, 99.9% of the time but if you have a sparse arangement with most of it down the middle then hard panned could be interprited as off centre and not 100% left or right
 
when i copy a track and make 2 of them, then hard pan and change the cents by -12 and +12, i get phase problems when i hard pan each one or when i dont hard pan each one. how would i be able to fix this
 
reverse the phase. That's the problem with copying the track. If you retrack another take it won't happen. I take it your problem is a spill over from FordVan's thread, the delay should cancel out the phase.
 
LemonTree said:
reverse the phase. That's the problem with copying the track. If you retrack another take it won't happen. I take it your problem is a spill over from FordVan's thread, the delay should cancel out the phase.
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Yes, did you delay the two tracks? I did it as he described, and it worked perfectly........
 
djclueveli said:
when i copy a track and make 2 of them, then hard pan and change the cents by -12 and +12, i get phase problems when i hard pan each one or when i dont hard pan each one. how would i be able to fix this
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Also, how are you changing the pitch? In real-time?
 
Dogman said:
That's how I did mine. Is this correct?
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I dunno, but if I tried to use it "real-time" it didn't phase, but it got all messed up - I was thinking maybe what he is calling a "phase issue" was not a phase issue at all, but something else. Just taking a stab, since it seemed to work so easily......
 
but when i put a 25ms delay on both of the tracks, the vocals are off beat.
 
djclueveli said:
but when i put a 25ms delay on both of the tracks, the vocals are off beat.
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I think you are confused. The VOCAL track doesn't move - only the pitch shifted tracks - you should have three tracks when you are done.
 
yea i am confused lol. i thought i only have two tracks when i'm done. how is there 3? how do i put the delay on the track without it comin in late cause if i put a 25 ms delay, then the vocal track will come 25ms late into the song. can you help me out with this. Is the delay a "Delay" plugin or "Reverb" plugin. Cause i'm using Acids "Simple Delay" plugin for this. If you use a different delay plugin can u let me know which one and tell me exactly how to set the numbers on the delay plugin cause it will help me out alot. And how do i end up with 3 vocal tracks if i copy the vocal track and hard pan it. That is only 2 tracks.
 
djclueveli said:
yea i am confused lol. i thought i only have two tracks when i'm done. how is there 3? how do i put the delay on the track without it comin in late cause if i put a 25 ms delay, then the vocal track will come 25ms late into the song. can you help me out with this. Is the delay a "Delay" plugin or "Reverb" plugin. Cause i'm using Acids "Simple Delay" plugin for this. If you use a different delay plugin can u let me know which one and tell me exactly how to set the numbers on the delay plugin cause it will help me out alot. And how do i end up with 3 vocal tracks if i copy the vocal track and hard pan it. That is only 2 tracks.
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OK -

When you copy the vocal track twice, you have the original, and the two copies - or 3 tracks. Take the two copies and just slide them forward 25 ms in your multitrack program (rather than a delay - this may be easier). Then pitch shift the two copies (one up 12 cents the other down 12 cents). I then bussed the two tracks to a group channel, and put a eq on the insert and cut everything below 400hz (as suggested by FV). Then pull the group fader all the way down, start the song, and slowly bring the fader up till it sounds good, but not over effected.

Oh, and you leave the original vocal track where it was........It is still the main vocal part the other two tracks are basically a tricky way to get an effect, they are not really vocal tracks anymore....
 
thanks alot man. i'm going to try it right now and see if it works. i'll let you know how it turns out.
 
yea you're explanation was better than FV cause i didn't know you should have 3 vocal tracks. that was the problem right there. Everything is sound good, but what pitch shifter plugin do u use cause the acid pitch shifter cause flange and the cakewalf one makes the works skip a little bit.
 
do u know any pitch shifter plugin that preserves the duration without causing flange to occur like the acid pitch shifter
 
djclueveli said:
yea you're explanation was better than FV cause i didn't know you should have 3 vocal tracks. that was the problem right there. Everything is sound good, but what pitch shifter plugin do u use cause the acid pitch shifter cause flange and the cakewalf one makes the works skip a little bit.
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Don't do it in real time - just pitch shift the whole track first. Mine got all screwy if I tried to pitch shift on the fly as well.
 
A little variation on NL5's vocal technique: The 2 copied tracks at different delay times. This really is more of an "effect" and can't be used often, but I have done it in one of my songs. I needed a long delay so I moved one track over 150ms and the other one 300ms and panned them. So I ended up with a kind of ping pong delay. I'm sure it would also sound good with shorter delay times, that just happened to be the delay time I needed for that song.
 
25ms is nothing> the human brain doesn't get signals from the ears quick enough and process them to notice an actual delay anyehre under 22ms, that's why when you blend the dry and delayed track together they sound like one fat track. Off beat? try 250ms
 
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