hard disk recorder???

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hey guys, I'm not sure if I am in the right forum or not? but here it goes. i am looking to buy a digital recorder that is self contained. i mean i want a unit that allows me to record at least 8 tracks, mix, master, and record onto cd all in the same unit. it would be helpful if it had some effects in it and was not extremely difficult to use. i am still a newbie by all respects when it comes to home recording. anyone have suggestions?

funnygirl
 
Yo Girl of many laughs:

Well, you do indeed have many choices. You want a SIAB as they're called. [studio in a box]

Yamaha makes three units: the AW 16 [lowest price] and 2816 and 4416. All units produce a "very good sound." And, you can record up to 8 tracks at a time and the CD burner is built in. As well, you have a nice choice of reverb [fx], plus EQ and dynamics.

Then, you have Roland's offerings, Korg, Akai, and maybe a couple of others.

You should get to a vendor and demo some units so you get an idea of what you are getting into as far as knowledge, manuals, and accessories. For example, if you buy a Yamaha unit, you really need to buy a UPS power supply. This will keep your unit on if the power goes off due to whatever. If you don't have a back up power supply, you can damage the HD and lose your data. Yamaha doesn't advertise this in their ads.

I really enjoy the 2816 but it takes some work to get to know the unit. My experience with several other units, include the MD8 helped me adjust.

Hope this helps.







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Yo, Funny girl, welcome to the board! There are a lot of units that can record 8 tracks, but usually *not* at one time. If you have the right inputs, my Roland VS1824CD can do all of what you say, but it's $2000 unit. Even then, to get really high quality recordings, I use a lot of outboard gear to bypass its analog-digital converter, and its mediocre preamps.
To be able to give you more help, it would be useful to know what you really intend to record, and what your real budget is. Generally recording 8 tracks at once would be a whole band, with multiple mics on the drums. Just the mics to do that will set you back plenty. As a good starter unit, I kind of like Boss BR1180CD. I don't think it will record all 8 tracks simultaneously, though, most of them don't.
I think most people here would suggest using your computer as a recorder for more versatility, upgradeability, and overall cost-effectiveness, but I do happen to like stand alones for their portability and relative ease of use. You need to start planning a budget for the whole shebang, as this can get expensive quickly. That is one of the advantages of the standalone units, they have an initial completeness. If you have 1 or 2 good mics, some good cables, and a couple of boom stands, you can begin recording now, then you build from there, with the final act being the replacement of the recorder. I'm getting there myself.
It goes like this- You've got everything in one box. Preamps, compression, reverb, multitracking capability, Analog-Digital conversion, and so on. So pretty soon, you realize that if top preamps are $1000+ per channel, and you've got 8 of them in your $1000 box, they're probably not that good. Problem is, you're right. So you buy an expensive preamp. But the effects aren't that good, so you buy an FX box. But the A-D converter isn't that good, so you buy an A-D converter, etc. etc. Eventually, you end up just buying something to record with, either a hard drive digital recorder or a computer.sound card/software combination with a DAW (digital audio workstation), to replace your recorder, and you're good to go- for about $15,000! Yikes!
What most people don't realize, is there never was a problem. In the end, if you want to make really professional quality recordings, you'll need several thousand dollars worth of gear. I'm up to about $15,000 right now. But you will also need experience, which you can get with that stand alone recorder. So finally, you upgrade to the recorder that can make good use of all those outboard goodies you bought, and you keep the stand alone for a remote recorder!
The point is that a box that does everything for XYZ dollars can only do each of those things so well, but that's really OK, because it gives you a learning tool. Figure out what you really want to record, how much total initial budget you have, and what you already have (computers, headphones, instruments, stereo equipment, everything) and what you intend to do with the music you've recorded. Then post that up, and people here on the board will give you confusing and often conflicting advice, which nonetheless will be helpful in the long run. Hope this helps.-Richie
 
I have the Zoom MRS 1266CD.

Records up to six tracks simultaneously.

Eight mono tracks, one stereo track, 1 master stereo track. Each track has 10 virtual tracks.

Built-in drum/bass machine.

A multitude of insert, send/return. and mastering effects.

2 XLR inputs w/ phantom power available, 2 Hi-Z (guitar/bass) inputs, 6 1/4" inputs. (If using both XLR and both Hi-Z inputs, only 2 1/4" inputs are available).

Optional USB or SCSI interface.

All this and more for less than a grand.
 
Hey there, Funnygirl,

I just went through a similar search, for months, and settled on the Yamaha aw16g, which does indeed record 8 tracks at once
(16 total). The BOSS 1180, in contrast, records just 2 at once,
and the others in the same price range (like the KORG) top out at just 6 tracks simultaneously.

I'm extremely happy with the 16G although any digital unit will definitely take some weeks of manual reading and practice before you really know what you're doing. At least that was my case, coming from a Tascam cassette studio background. But if you're patient, the results will probably astound you.

By the way, check the new and great AW16G.COM site (especially the NEWBIES section) for other info., including where to but the unit at the best price--curently around $870, I believe. The 16G comes with a CD burner as standard.

Good luck with your search!

J.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions. I accidentally ran across a Fostex MR8 the other day on the web. I have been looking at it. I realize you can only record 2 tracks simultaneously, but I guess that is all I really need to do. I am wanting something where I can record my music and song writing ideas and make demos for folks to get feedback. According to the information given on the mr8, it uses a 128mb compact flash card and the information can be downloaded to a computer for cd burning via the usb port. I have a couple of questions, hoping someone can help me with this? First, can the flash card be erased and used over and over or would I have to have a new flash card everytime? Second, what computer program would I need to manage the information downloaded from the mr8 to my computer so that I could burn a cd from my computer? Any information would be of great help!

funnygirl
 
Hi,
I use the MR-8 a lot and really like it !!
You can re-format the CF card as FAT 16 bit or just delete the tracks if you want. You can transfer the .wav files to a PC via USB
(with win2k or XP) or via a USB CF reader (about $20).
A number of mixing programs can directly import the .wav file. I use eMagic, others are having success with n-tracks. I have also used nero to burn a CD directly from the wav files transfered from the mr-8 into the PC tomix folder.

Check out the Fostex portion of this site - you'll see hundreds of postings about the mr-8. its really a whole lot of fun !!
 
USB CF reader

Hey redStar 8-

Where can I get a USB CF reader? I use Windows 98 on my computer. I have been too cheap to upgrade. When I say I am a newbie, I mean NEW. Also, what type of programs are eMagic, nero, and n-tracks and where can I get one of them? I currently have Cakewalk Home Studio 9.0 on my computer, but not real sure how to mix and so forth on it. For what I want to use the MR8 for, I want a mixing and CD burning program as simple as I can get.

Thanks!
 
Funnygirl, in time mixing software may become an issue, but for what you want to do, you may find that the mixing capabilities of the MR-8 are entirely adequate. I've got some stuff I did on a KORG PXR4 Pandora that went straight to the computer in MP3 format, then was compressed to WAV, and I've had lots of fun mixing on the Pandora. It seems the MR-8 should have far greater mixing and editing capabilities. It's just a thought. That's the cool part about the stand alone units. One box, a mic, a cable, a stand, a shock mount, and a pop filter and you're good to go.-Richie
 
You can get a USB CF reader at places like Walmart, Office depot, Staples, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.

You can download n-track at www.fasoft.com
 
Hey Funnygirl. I get caught up in reading these threads to the point where I forget the specifics of the original question.

So I went back up and had a look at what you actually asked, and ...possibly I have an alternative.

My Roland/Boss (whatever) BR1180CD fits your description exactly. Good effects, 8 tracks plus 2 more to mix down to, easy to use, burns audio or the data from a session on the spot.

The manual is no prize, but we're talkin Roland.

Do a search for it and check it out.



Or not.
 
digital multitrack recorders

I have been following this thread, and my issues are very similar to those of FunnyGirl, so I though I would add on my own question:

I would like a standalone and can spend around 1K (of course if I can spend less, that would be great). I see from the reviews that people like the Yamaha AW16G - so I was going to get this one, but it seems not to have a USB or Firewire, so I think you have to burn to CD to get the music off - which I don't want.

From my research, only the Zoom MRS1266CD has both an internal CD drive, and a USB (optional) or SCSI. Also, the Korg D1200MKII - but no one had reviewed this product at zZounds.com, which I took to be a bad sign.

My questions are:
Does anyone have experience with or knowledge about these two models so that they can tell me if they suck for some reason?

Are there any other machines that have both CD burning and USB or firewire?

Is there a machine that *just* has USB/FW output, and maybe I would be better off getting one of these and then buying a CD burner separately (I have heard people say it's cheaper and better quality to add it on yourself, then to buy a unit that comes with it).

What's the difference between getting USB or SCSI - is it PC vs Mac?

Thanks for your input!

jane doe
 
Re: USB CF reader

funnygirl said:
Hey redStar 8-

Where can I get a USB CF reader? I use Windows 98 on my computer. I have been too cheap to upgrade. When I say I am a newbie, I mean NEW. Also, what type of programs are eMagic, nero, and n-tracks and where can I get one of them? I currently have Cakewalk Home Studio 9.0 on my computer, but not real sure how to mix and so forth on it. For what I want to use the MR8 for, I want a mixing and CD burning program as simple as I can get.

Thanks!

Do you have a good interface for your PC? Have you thought about upgrading your PC and recording from it.
 
I use a Yamaha AW4416. Pretty incredible machine. Auto faders for controling pan, eq, effects levels, volume levels etc, two effects cards, records 8 at once. 8 virtual tracks behind each of 16 channels.

If you haven't used this type of machine before, there is a pretty substantial learning curve. But once you got it.... it's a good machine.

Does not have USB, but does have serial connection and SCSI. Also has digital audio out. Works with mouse. The only thing I wish it had is a monitor port so it could be connected to regular monitor.
 
I use a Yamaha AW4416. Pretty incredible machine. Auto faders for controling pan, eq, effects levels, volume levels etc, two effects cards, records 8 at once. 8 virtual tracks behind each of 16 channels.

If you haven't used this type of machine before, there is a pretty substantial learning curve. But once you got it.... it's a good machine.

Does not have USB, but does have serial connection and SCSI. Also has digital audio out. Works with mouse. The only thing I wish it had is a monitor port so it could be connected to regular monitor.
 
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