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Well, I have the program Cool Edit Pro 1.2a and it works great if you run a mixing board into the line in input on the back of the computer. I am wondering if this is digital quality music? If it is not do I need an interface or something else to convert the analog signal from the board so that it is digital quality by the time it gets proccessed by the computer? Anyway, if you have some knowledge you could let me in on I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks
 
there are analog/digital converters in the soundcard, so yes it is "digital" quality...basically a soon as the signal hits the sound card it has to be converted to digital for the computer to recognisze it (i think, i don't use my p.c. for music)....now if you mean "industry" quality by "digital" quality, then it depends on your sound card.....

i'll reiterrate, i know next to nothing about sound cards, but i think this is the basic deal... someone is sure to come along and elaborate very soon
 
Its all about the bits!

If I may Dr. Colossus? Ahthhhaaanque!
Yes it has to do with your sound card, but, and there's always a but, it's what you're giving the sound card. Most pc's use a 16 bit sound card. Which is the resolution of all cd players including the one in your pc. So you need to convert at a higher resolution, like 18 20 or 24 bits, BEFORE your signal hits the computer. These extra bits of resolution allow your sofware to edit your waveforms and clean the seams (crossfading) between all the cutting and pasting. Otherwise you will hear every pop punch and paste like a fingernail on the blackboard in you cd player. I don't mean to intruduce chaos in to your life but you may need to invest in a proper converter called an "I/O" (in/out) unit that converts electric volt energy into more 1's and 0's than the average cd player requires (16 bits) to play cds.
Think of the extra bits as putty filler used in drywall. To give the eye the illusion that there is more mass making a smooth surface, when there is really a gap between two sheets place side by side.
It's the same thing with audio files.
......whew!!!..... can someone else take over? The knowledge is very vast but maybe you could check the digital section of this site.
peace, be good....H.
 
Holy smokes, hitman, what the hell are you talking about?

Bit depth and cutting & pasting and crossfading are all completely seperate topics and barely related.

A soundcard is really little more than a package of analog to digital and digital to analog converters. When your analog signal hits the card, the card converts the signal into its digital representation, and from there of course it can be saved to disk, edited, etc.

Likewise, when you hit the play button in your recording software, a data stream representing your sound is sent to the soundcard, and the soundcard converts the digital signal into an analog signal that you can eventually listen to.

The conversion from analog to digital is especially important to the sound you get when you're recording. An analog (real life) sound is represented by a *continuous* waveform, which is impossible to represent using our digital 1's and 0's. So what happens is that the analog signal is sampled a certain number of times per second. Each sample, comprised of a certain number of bits, represents the amplitude (height, instantaneous voltage) of the analog wave at that specific moment. Now you take enough of these samples per second, and use enough bits to represent an ample number of amplitude fluctuations, and you've got something that approximates the original analog waveform pretty closesly.

"CD Quality" means 16bit, 44.1khz digital audio. That means that 44,100 16bit samples are taken every second. 16bits is enough to represent 2^16= 65,563 amplitude fluctuations. That's pretty good, and *technically* provides 96db worth of room to work with, at frequencies between 1 and 22khz. (maximum frequency = 1/2 the sample rate: search Nyquist)

Now most prosumer & professional soundcards on the moment work with 24bit audio, at sample rates up to 96khz. Why would you need more than CD Quality? Well, the human ear is a lot more sensitive than people give it credit for one thing. Also, using 24 bits pushes the noise floor down and you get a theoretical headroom of over 120db. Plus when it comes to Digital Signal Processing (DSP), like digital reverbs, compressors, etc...the more bits & samples you're working with, the better your end fidelity (in theory, e.g. more precise mathematics), even though you eventually downsample & dither to 16/44 for your final product.

Now, don't get too caught up in the numbers game. Know this: IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 16bit/44.1Khz CONVERTERS THAT SOUND BETTER THAN 24bit/96Khz CONVERTERS!

Why? Building converters is extremely difficult. Consider what's going on. A little clock is ticking away, and 44 thousand times per second, it's telling the system to sample the incoming audio voltage. Not only is it critical that it measure the amplitude preciesly, but it's equally critical that it take these samples at very precise intervals. Think about a simple sine wave being cut up into samples by a converter...what happens if the samples it takes along that wave don't occur at precise intervals? According to the resulting data file, you just have 44 thousand samples that were supposedly taken in 1/44,100th of a second intervals...but they weren't, were they! What you end up with in this case is not a nice smooth sine wave, but a jagged representation of a sine wave. Now this jagged wave hits and equally jittery digital to analog converter, and the sound you end up hearing is recognizable, but pretty shitty compared to what went in!

This is why the guy who says "this CD player sounds better than that CD player" isn't crazy. The "industry" really got off on telling everybody that anything digital sounded great, and that every digital copy is identical to the original. They were right, technically, and they just sort of skipped over the ugly stuff.

Now consider multitrack recording. If you're sticking 24 jittery shit sounding tracks on top of eachother, the sound degredation really starts to add up.

So, in the end, asking "what's the best sounding soundcard" is just as valid as asking "what's the best sounding 1/2" tape machine?"

There is a stupildy easy way to test a converter. Do you have a POD? Run your POD into your soundcard, and monitor directly from the soundcard. Now, what you're monitoring is the direct, undigitized signal (if the signal was digitized, you'd have a very noticable delay). Take a good listen to how the guitar sounds and play around for a bit. Now hit record. Theoretically, the resulting recording should sound pretty much like what you just heard, right? Right. But it won't. Congratulations, you just heard your converters!!!!! This is always an ear opener. (btw, you don't need a POD, I'm sure you can improvise something...run a CD of a a solo guitar into the soundcard and monitor it for a while - or something simple and detailed - and be critical here, yes of course it will still sound like a guitar)

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henry_mullis, is what you are hearing playing back that you recorded not of the same high quality compared to "professionally recorded" CD's. If that is the case, you should be aware that about 80% of this problem has little to do with soundcards. The tonal quality of the instrument you are recording, the quality of the mic, the mic placement, the quality of the preamp, cabling, etc....all have a VERY big roll in how the music sounds.

Now, certainly you cannot compare the quality of the A/D/A converters (analog/digital/analog) in a SoundBlaster quality sound card to an Apogee or Lucid converter. The Apogee and Lucid will provide MUCH better conversion at 16 bit than SoundBlaster can for a number of reasons that are just plain to complicated to go into. Let's just say that Apogee and Lucid involve much better components in their converter and leave it at that. But, if one was to really take their time and get a good instrument sound, use a decen quality mic and mic preamp, and record it even through a SB card, the results would be pretty decent if the mic was placed just so as to capture the sound wanted. The above will make the biggest difference in the quality of your recordings. Higher bit resolution is at this point a bit subjective. Yes, more bits COULD mean better conversions, but that improvement MIGHT be marginal. Much of the music I have posted on this BBS for people to listen to was recorded on Type I ADAT's, which means 16 bit, and the recording quality was decent enough I suppose. ;)

Work on improving your micing techniques and I beleive that you will hear a big improvement in the sound quality of your recordings, and may find that even with lower end soundcards that you will get acceptable quality. But, don't expect that your recordings are going to sound as good as something done in a $4000 a day recording studio with a world class engineer at the helm. That is just plain unrealistic.

Good luck.

Ed
 
I have gotten pretty good results with a crappy SB before. It really is all about the quality of your input.

The whole system is only going to sound as good as the weakest link. No point in having a $1000 digital card if your just gonna run straight out of a cheap effects box and into the computer.
 
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