Har-Bal download anyone?

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SouthSIDE Glen said:
That's just it, dob, my comments on yours or anybody else's mixes are irrelevant. Far more illuminating, educational, and useful for everybody all around are what YOUR comments are on your own mix.

I couldn't give a shit what your mixes sound like, and I don't give a shit what anybody here thinks of my mixes or my refusal to play your game with them either.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, you heartless asshole, but my mother has not yet died. So take your act an play it somewhere else, because now that you've shown your true colors, the more you ask, the more it will please me to say no. :mad:

G.
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Huh?

Huh?

Somebody explain this to me.
 
Okay, I think I've figured this out all on my onesie.

Glen, you're mistaking me for someone else. Check with some other people on the board - Massive, for instance - I've been on this board for longer than you, I've moderated the Cool Edit/Audition Forum for years, and I'm on other boards as well where people know me. The only time I've ever exchanged posts with you is in this thread here. I don't know what the situation is with your mum, but it sounds unhappy or stressed or both - sorry to hear that.

Now, think for a minute. I'm a moderator, right? That person you're mistaking me for - would he be a moderator here? Not likely, right? Do your homework.

I'm disappointed you're not gonna take me up on my offer to listen to one of my mixes. I thought we might have some fun with it, but you don't seem to be in the mood for fun. Too bad. It's a good mix. :)
 
dobro said:
Glen, you're mistaking me for someone else.
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No, I'm not. I know you're not him. But I also know you've been on this board since before I got here, and as both someone who's been around that long and as someone who's a moderator, that you know damn well what my story is, or if you don't, you probably should have something looked into because you have a severe case of amnesia. Nobody in the BBS has been forced to have to tell their story more than I have over the past five years, so it seems to me that your plea of ignorance rings about as hollow as a mis-tuned snare. If I'm wrong, then my mistake, I apologize. But I mean, come ON already!

You still are either not reading or misinterpreting my actual point still. Please read the bold text quote of me in bunt's most recent post (#40). That is a fine example of what I'm talking about. That doesn't apply to you 9 years ago or now (I hope), nor does it have anything to do with having to get in front of a DAW in order to learn the techniques of mixing, which I've already said more than once is NOT was I was talking about and is of course OK.

I'm sure you can mix just fine today. Not that that has *anything* to do with the subject. But as is almost always the case in these stupid Internet forum arguments, we're not even arguing about the same thing. What a waste of time.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
No, I'm not. I know you're not him. But I also know you've been on this board since before I got here, and as both someone who's been around that long and as someone who's a moderator, that you know damn well what my story is, or if you don't, you probably should have something looked into because you have a severe case of amnesia. Nobody in the BBS has been forced to have to tell their story more than I have over the past five years, so it seems to me that your plea of ignorance rings about as hollow as a mis-tuned snare. If I'm wrong, then my mistake, I apologize. But I mean, come ON already!

You still are either not reading or misinterpreting my actual point still. Please read the bold text quote of me in bunt's most recent post (#40). That is a fine example of what I'm talking about. That doesn't apply to you 9 years ago or now (I hope), nor does it have anything to do with having to get in front of a DAW in order to learn the techniques of mixing, which I've already said more than once is NOT was I was talking about and is of course OK.

I'm sure you can mix just fine today. Not that that has *anything* to do with the subject. But as is almost always the case in these stupid Internet forum arguments, we're not even arguing about the same thing. What a waste of time.

G.
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I don't know your personal story, and I'm not interesting in finding out. You expecting me to be conversant with the personal history of somebody I've only just met on the internet is a kind of megalomania. Not only are your views about who should and shouldn't be mixing suspect, but your internet manners are pretty bad too.
 
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kcearl said:
take it to the cave ;)
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Why? I was engaging him on a question about mixing in the mixing forum. I haven't been abusive, and I've been sincere. What's the problem?

You know, I showed up here last week cuz I wanted to find out what the place was like - I haven't been to this forum in years. Now, I know a little bit more about what this place is like than I did last week. ;)
 
dobro said:
Why? I was engaging him on a question about mixing in the mixing forum. I haven't been abusive, and I've been sincere. What's the problem?

You know, I showed up here last week cuz I wanted to find out what the place was like - I haven't been to this forum in years. Now, I know a little bit more about what this place is like than I did last week. ;)
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You're renewed presence is appreciated! Stick around--please.
 
dobro said:
Why? I was engaging him on a question about mixing in the mixing forum. I haven't been abusive, and I've been sincere. What's the problem?

You know, I showed up here last week cuz I wanted to find out what the place was like - I haven't been to this forum in years. Now, I know a little bit more about what this place is like than I did last week. ;)
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No problem..it was joke..I had a rather heated discussion in this forum and Glen followed me about telling me to take it to the cave..

nothing cave worthy here 'cept maybe the "you heartless asshole" comment :)

I'm just surprised that someone's taken umbrage to his attitude...truly surprised ;)
 
Ah. I thought that might be what the first wink was about.

Well, this is a bit like The Thread That Went Nowhere. Time to put one thread down, and pick another up.
 
This thread got a little weird so I don't know if folks are still reading it.

I don't think Glen was trying to be superior or elitist and get the feeling that his views were misconstrued. However I do think his views on Har-Bal are a bit extreme.

Lets say someone mixes something and shoots for a modern commercially produced rock track sound. If this person thinks that their mix has hit that goal when it is obvious that they have missed it by miles then maybe Glen is right - that guy is wasting his time trying to mix music. If you can't at least hear that there is a problem then how can you set about fixing it? Obviously, if he's going for an avant-guard mix which defies commercial mixing trends then that is a different matter.

However, assuming the learner mixer can do a mix and realise something is wrong with it, maybe it's the midrange maybe even the low midrange.... What is wrong with them firing up Har-bal or any analyzer and comparing the visual representation of their mix against their commercial reference track? "Aah looks like my mix has to much 200-400hz content and is lacking around 1000 - 5000 range, maybe I should go back to my mix and make the guitars brighter and cut some 400 out of the bass and kick drum... Maybe that will take me closer to my aim."

Seems like a useful tool to me and for $99 it's cheaper than paying an experienced guy with great ears to point you in the right direction.
 
I think Harbal is a fine product for $99. It gets really slammed around here, but you can go to the Cakewalk forums, and it is fairly highly regarded.

I especially like the volume matching, as that seems to work pretty decent and I find the "limiter" feature works OK too. Certainly no worse than the Waves ultramaximizer. And honestly, I don't think the EQ sucks so bad either. I think why people diss it so much is they think people are led to it under false pretenses...which may be true. No argument there. But, as long as you no what you're doing, it's a great tool. Do I use it for home mastering...? Sometimes, but I'd like to think I'm not a recording idiot either.

Any rate, I guess I'm trying to say I subscribe to intellegent use, rather than the tools. If you know its' limitations, you can milk it right up to the ceiling.

oh... try "mastering" 6 songs recorded by 6 different people at 6 different studios and have them be in the same "ballpark". For a "non-critical" use, I could do that with hair-ball in about 30 minutes and for the "non-critical-listener", works like a charm.
 
Free, no... gotta pay, as I'm sure you've already found out. Now, as for all the bullocks about how "shitty" the proggy is, let me say this; as someone that DOES get paid to produce and master albums, especially those in the electronic, and classical (contemporary) genre's. I use mostly external equipment. Har-bal, if one KNOWS HOW TO USE IT and HAS THE PROPER EQUIPMENT TO MASTER (in relation to sound card, speakers, etc) is absolutely SMASHING! I ran it against my MoTU gear, and software, and honestly, had I known about it before spending close to 12K I would have saved a lot of money. Granted, its not something you would produce/master for MAJOR labels, but then again, pop sucks something aweful anyway.

Point is; if you're on a budget, or just looking to learn, this programme is flawless. The only real things to remember are: 1) less is more; do EVERYTHING in small incriments. Dont just grab the eq and throw lines all willy nilly and expect a grand sound. 2) pay attention to your freq chart. it will tell you what needs to go where. You will find this out when you actually use the programme, because right now this is just useless info to shake your head at, but the manuals cover EVERYTHING you need to know. 3) DO NOT USE PRESETS FOR ANYTHING BEYOND A STARTING REFERENCE!!! if you are producing a song that sounds like... I dunno, Justin Timberlake or something equally deranged, fine. Take the song you have in mind that relates to YOUR PROJECT as closely as possible and use THAT SONG as a reference, BUT NOT A CURE-ALL SOLUTION. Har-bal allows you the ability to use your favourite song as a reference to guide you. THAT is what makes it stand out IMHO. and finally 4) if you are not sure how to even start with the programme, there are COUNTLESS videos out there on youboob, and various other sites that give you a GREAT place to start.


Cheers,
SD
 
Sumibraxis606 said:
this programme is flawless............ pay attention to your freq chart it will tell you what needs to go where. .
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Just those 2 statements alone makes anything else you said not credible. You look at a frequency chart to "tell you where everything goes"? That's ridiculous.
 
God I love it when old threads that were dumb to begin with get brought back to life. :D

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miroslav said:
God I love it when old threads that were dumb to begin with get brought back to life. :D

:eatpopcorn:
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I agree 100%. But some declarations need to be addressed sometimes. I knew this thread was old, but not from 2009. I'm pretty sure someone revived this only a few months ago. Maybe it was stupid enough to get deleted.
 
Oh I don't mind this one.....nothing like a good Har-Bal bashing to get things hopping. ;)

I remember some great Har-Bal bashing threads we had on a few other forums....those were the days! :D
 
i use an older version of it.

works great.

i use it as a EQ only....


it's the cleanest sounding EQ i've found, i use it to tweak master files before i bring them into WAVELAB.


you can listen to anything i post in the MP3 forum to hear the final results.
 
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