Guitar crunch frequencies

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Anyone have a suggested frequency range and/or Q value to bring the precussive sound out of a palm mute guitar part?
 
Agreed. But sometimes i have to go a little higher to get it. But stay below 4.5khz if i were you.

danny
 
It works. I just wouldnt go higher than that. Depends on what it needs.

Danny
 
Im not so sure it needs anything but a 4X12 and pair of beta 57's! :P Although, when I am using an open back 2X12 vintage style carvin with direct voiced out, I am getting close. I'm just feebly attempting to add a little more punch to the chug. Probably won't happen without the proper equipment and mic placement, but with my low budget equipment I aim to see how close I can get! ;)
 
VesuviusJay said:
I'm just feebly attempting to add a little more punch to the chug.
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You probably know this already, but that's not really an EQ or frequency thing. It's a dynamics thing.

What you want to do is make sure you're not using too much gain -- that will kill dynamics quicker than anything.

Next, you might want to mess around with some compressor settings to give you more attack. Opto comressors tend to work really good for this because they're slower to react.
 
Chess (b)

Could you elaborate a bit more on the compressor settings for me as far as manipulating the attack, etc? Or maybe refer me to a good thread or infopage?

Thanks!
 
VesuviusJay said:
Could you elaborate a bit more on the compressor settings for me as far as manipulating the attack, etc? Or maybe refer me to a good thread or infopage?
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I'm afraid it's kinda' tough to really elaborate without getting in to a very lengthy "Compression 101" type rant. :D

But basically, you want to experiment with the attack and release times on whatever compressor you might be using. You want the attack just slow enough to accentuate the initial attack/picking ... the "ch" of the "chug," so to speak. :D Similarly, you want the release time to be fast enough to allow the tail end of the note through -- or the "g" of the chug.

And lasty, you don't want the ratio to be so high as to completely choke the "u" of the chug. By mildly accentuating the "ch" and the "g" (through compression), you might get punchier sounding palm mutes.

Clear as dirt?
 
This helps a great deal chess, thanks! I will experiment this evening.
 
BAM from whats his head (sorry i forgot his name)

First: Lets look over some critical 'dirt guitar' EQ ranges and how they affect the myriad of choices/possibilities we might wish to examine in our undertaking. Bottom to top.

20-45Hz. Never say never. Just say rarely.

50-90hz. Ahh the madness. Here's the 'swing' range in our 'chugging'.

100-150. Bottom of the meat.

180-240. Lo-Center of the meat.

250-320. Hi-Center of the meat.

340-650. Danger Will Robinson. Top of meat/Bottom of mids. CRITICAL.

700-900. More danger. Hard to hear. Kills 'newbies' on contact. Will explain.

950-1.2k. Pure Satan. Make or break ya. Easy to hear. Hard to control.

1.3k-1.6k. Ditto the above.

1.7k-2.2k. Top of the mids/Bottom of pick attack range. Oh, the fear.

2.3k-3.1k. Middle of pick range. Picky de poison. Mucho Satania.

3.2k-4.2k. Top of pick range. Pick out a nice coffin. Yer gonna need it.

4.3k-6.5k. Bottom of fizz. Add Beefeaters for gin fizz. Guzzle many glasses.

6.6k-8k. Top of fizzy. Many will kill this range ruthlessly. Careful. Can O' wormies.

8k-10k. Road to hell. Paved with good intentions. Enjoy. Not.

10-15k. Less obvious road(s) to hell. Gravel. Lose a windshield up here.

15k-25k. Same disclaimer as 25-40Hz. Can you say 'sometimes bandwidth matters'?
 
Crunch comes from the distortion type rather than EQ, but try boosting quite a wide Q (around 1) tryin the frequencies from 1k up to 4k.
 
you have to do all this when you are tracking..not after words..so get that sound on your amp and then just high pass out the low shity frequencies when you mix..you may notch here or there, but the crunch has to be achieved before tracking.

For a marshall style amp..keep your bass around 4..dont go over 5. mids are usually at 5 or 6..highs i like around 7..this is just what i like to do for that sound.

just use enough gain so the sound is where you want it, dont go all godsmack on us..also make sure your palm is light and not muting too much.
 
hey giraffe, i don't mean to hijack the thread, but have you got the whole article that came from? I would LOVE to have it sometime. PM me or tell me to go to hell or whatev.
 
ive read that article before. its from another forum but i cant remember where it came from. Its friggin long. And the guy who wrote it is absolutely insane but a genious too. Has an amazing reputation though.

im trying to remember his name.

danny
 
i wish i had that artical :(

it's gone and all that remains is the eq section i posted above.

:( :( :( :(

that guy is f'n brilliant.
 
darnold said:
ive read that article before. its from another forum but i cant remember where it came from. Its friggin long. And the guy who wrote it is absolutely insane but a genious too. Has an amazing reputation though.

im trying to remember his name.
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I think maybe you're thinking of "Slipperman" and his "Recording Distorted Guitar From Hell Thread" (or something close to that :p ) which was on the ProSound forum last year.

I tried looking it up again, but all the links I could find came up 404s; I think because ProSound has changed their website/database layout since then. But if somebody wants to poke around ProSound.com, maybe they can unearth the whole thing...

G.
 
Yup thats it. Slipperman.

I believe he did all the work for Thrice or Thursday and a bunch of other big hardcore groups.

But its a damned long thread and only about 10% of what he says either makes sense or has anything to do with recording guitars at all. Except it is intresting seeing how huge studios function. He really was insane because of it.

He would just rant about how it was 4 in the morning and he just got done with the session and how much he wants to kill everyone part of the session and that he has all this sweet equipment with 20 of every microphone you can dream of and 20 each of every vintage guitar and amp you can think of.

Yah it was an intense reading really. I had to take breaks and check to make sure i wasnt going crazy from reading it.

danny
 
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