Group Channels

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Does anyone know of a way to send tracks to multiple groups? I have used the aux channels as secondary groups, but since all consoles, and even most mixers can assign channels to more than one group, I would think Cubase could do it.

Thanks.
 
Are you looking for Grouping or Aux Bussing?

If you want a track to go to multi-groups right click the audio track in the arrangment window and duplicate the track. One WAV file can be placed into two channels both with different group outputs.


There may be a more analog way to do this but that was the first thing I could think of.

GL
 
Yeah, I wish Cubase had more routing options. There is stuff with inserts, aux sends, and grouping that all bothers me. Duplicating tracks is about all I know to do for some things like this. They should make it so you can route anything anywhere through as many groups as you need, and you can shuffle around the order of your inserts as you please. But I am on SX2, so maybe some things are different now?
 
As far as I know you can not access multiple channel outs (groups) without using the aux send section. When I need multiple groups I just put the aux send at untiy in post fade to a group and then it will act more like a real console might.
 
yeah, just create the group tracks you want, then go to the routing settings on the channels that you want to send to the groups. you can basically send any track to any other track if you wanted to, and control the sending volume and what not. i'm on my work computer right now and don't have Reaper handy, but it's no problem to do what you're asking about.

you can use the "Folder" option, which is what i usually use for making sub mixes, but for what you're talking about, you would just have to create the tracks that you want to use as group tracks and then set the routing properties for whatever tracks you want to send to each group.

say you have Track 3 which you want to send to two different groups, which are Track 14 and 15. you would just open up the routing menu for track 3, check the box for send to track 14 and 15, and you can control the send volumes individually. then you can adjust the overall volume of the group tracks using the normal volume slider. you can do this any number of times with any number of tracks. i'm pretty sure this is what you're looking to do, right?

oh and you can also switch between pre and post fader for the send volume, in case you have a certain way of doing it in mind.
 
I've messed with reaper a bit, but I guess I am gonna have to suck it up and learn a new format. Even though Cubase pisses me off sometimes, it is pretty intuitive for most things. The group routing, and not being able to change the order of insert effects sucks.

"External plugins" are the shit though!

One question - can you rename the inputs channels? I have a RME card so it's like a1 -1, a1-2. etc. In cubase I renamed them to my pre names - like api-1, api-2, etc so I can quickly set up recording tracks with out having to remember what rme channel goes to which preamp.
 
NL5 said:
I've messed with reaper a bit, but I guess I am gonna have to suck it up and learn a new format. Even though Cubase pisses me off sometimes, it is pretty intuitive for most things. The group routing, and not being able to change the order of insert effects sucks.

"External plugins" are the shit though!

One question - can you rename the inputs channels? I have a RME card so it's like a1 -1, a1-2. etc. In cubase I renamed them to my pre names - like api-1, api-2, etc so I can quickly set up recording tracks with out having to remember what rme channel goes to which preamp.
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i'm not sure if you can rename the inputs (i'm still at my work computer). but if you make a suggestion to Justin, i'm sure he can make it work in one of the next versions. Reaper is great when it comes to routing, and you can arrange effects however you like, and even save entire effects chains with all the settings intact. i found it very useful for getting consistent drum sounds between recordings, being able to bring up an entire chain of effects with pretty much one click.

coming from Cubase, i switched to Samplitude SE to give it a try, then discovered Reaper. i'd say it took me a total of maybe 2 hours to really get acclimated to using Reaper coming from Cubase/Samp. i love it so far, just wish it had some dithering plugins included (but i hear Justin is in the process of developing a dither plugin for Reaper).

oh and FWIW, i did find certain things on Cubase to be more intuitive than Samplitude, and there were certain things i liked better in Samplitude. Reaper seems to combine some of the best things about both programs without a lot of the bad. one thing i do miss, is that i really loved Samplitude's mixer view (i would keep it maximized on my 2nd screen). the mixer view in Reaper is pretty basic in comparison.
 
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Yeah Cubase lacks multi grouping which I find quite annoying at times. I dont understand why their are FX channels and group channels.
There should just be a group channel that you can change the colour of. And you can have say 8 outputs rather than 1 output.

But its easy enought to use the "duplicate track" function and then delete any parts of the wave you dont want, and also muck about with the plugs.

Eck
 
i dont think he wants to Duplicate the track, he wants to just send one single track to multiple groups. that way he doesnt have to deal with two separate tracks, and if he decides to make any changes to the original track, he wont have to go and duplicate it again.
 
NL5 said:
The group routing, and not being able to change the order of insert effects sucks.
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The group routing in cubase kinda sucks, yeah, but doubling tracks (etc.) works fine, you just need to watch the volumes a little bit.

On the other hand, with the order of effects, there is a plugin on KVR that works great for that. It's a "virtual rack" and you can load in all the effects that your CPU can handle, and drag and drop to relocate and change the routing on the fly. Makes life a bit easier... ;)

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2497.html
 
I really don't see what the problem is with setting the Send's to post-fader and sending them to whatever group you want? It's better than duplicating a track from processing POV.
 
noisewreck said:
I really don't see what the problem is with setting the Send's to post-fader and sending them to whatever group you want? It's better than duplicating a track from processing POV.
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You only have 8 sends, that is the problem. It is normally enough to do it that way, but I want to be able to route more channels. I can do it on the console, but I was hoping Cubase could do it.
 
I'm not sure if this will work for what you want, but KVR Audio has a free plug-in called Senderella that helps overcome some of the routing issues in Cubase. I haven't tried it, but it was mentioned in Sound on Sound recently.

Here is the link: http://www.kvraudio.com/news/2685.html
 
zed32 said:
i dont think he wants to Duplicate the track, he wants to just send one single track to multiple groups. that way he doesnt have to deal with two separate tracks, and if he decides to make any changes to the original track, he wont have to go and duplicate it again.
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Yeah but that isnt possible in Cubase unfortunately.

Eck
 
I'm not sure but I think multi-group send is possible in Nuendo. I think it's stupid but Steinberg made a better Cubase and called it Nuendo. It's the same program with more and better features.

Same look....
Same functions, plus more....

Same program.... but twice as expensive
 
JoeNovice said:
I'm not sure but I think multi-group send is possible in Nuendo. I think it's stupid but Steinberg made a better Cubase and called it Nuendo. It's the same program with more and better features.

Same look....
Same functions, plus more....

Same program.... but twice as expensive
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Nuendo is Cubase with added surround mixing and video mixing Im sure.

Eck
 
NL5 said:
You only have 8 sends, that is the problem. It is normally enough to do it that way, but I want to be able to route more channels. I can do it on the console, but I was hoping Cubase could do it.
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If you don't mind me asking, what is it that you do where you need to route the same audio to more than 8 groups?

One useful possibility I can think of is parallel compression, but that would require only two groups. :confused:

In any case, another plug you could use is Plogue Bidule to do just that, just create a Bidule with a bunch of parallel routing, put all your plugins where you want them, and load the whole enchilada as an insert in Cubase.
 
zed32 said:
that type of stuff is a breeze with Reaper! ;)
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Nothing against Reaper, but lets be realistic here. The way that routing in Reaper is described in this thread is EXACTLY the same as the way this problem can be handled in Cubase, just with more options. Setting an aux send to post fade in Cubase is the same as assigning a new output in Reaper and varying the volume. Reaper just sounds like it allows more instances per track, which is possible via duplicating tracks in Cubase and linking faders. Yes, I wish Cubase did this task more efficiently, but it is possible none the less so lets not pretend that Reaper is all of a sudden better for having this option. It just does this same specific task in a slightly more efficient manner.
 
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