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redddog said:
If you could pick up Neve pres for a 20th of the cost of the real deal just by pooling your money, this would have been done LONG ago. But this is just another in a long line of Barbies made outta lead that comes out of China.

Once again, they have taken advantage of American's ridiculous notion that you CAN get something for free. We fall for it time and time again.
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We will get these pres right, I'm sure. The talent that is working on these is top notch. And they're doing it for apparently nothing. The Chinese slapped this shite together with abandon and american talent will straighten it out. They get paid, we don't. Makes me sick.
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So do you believe that you can get something for free?
 
erniebb said:
So do you believe that you can get something for free?
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Not sure what you're going for here but no.

After the experts suss out the issues, we'll all have to fix them ourselves. That will involve me having to essentially learn how to perform complicated repairs on audio equipment. I will have to purchase the equipment to make those repairs. W paid for these pres almost a year ago. I have spent countless hours following these threads, keeping up on the progress.

All said and done, this will have been ANYTHING but free.
 
redddog said:
I can promise you that, without a doubt, there would be NO way that I would have bought one, let alone 8, of these pres if that disclaimer were made. Not a single one.



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One thing that has been said deserves repeating for me:

This is without a doubt, the worst, most haphazzard and shoddy run of mass produced, audio equipment in history. I'd loveto know what the problem was with the units that were held back. It looks more like that was another line of BS used to insinuate that there was some presence of QC greater than "turn it on and make sure it doesn't smoke."
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Cool. You want to sell some then?? Cash in hand here. Let me know. I'll take them "as is" so you don't have to do any solder work! PM me.
 
drBill said:
Cool. You want to sell some then?? Cash in hand here. Let me know. I'll take them "as is" so you don't have to do any solder work! PM me.
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i'd make the price

$250 plus shipping

for all the pain and suffering

and the shipping already paid for :)





but seriously

i think we need to chill a little

and see where this goes



there's still a good possibility

of an easy, cheap fix

and for those who can't

do it themselves

i'm sure many of us who can

would be willing to fix

others for free

(in the spirit of the group buy)

if they pay shipping and parts (if needed)
 
Well Bill. I thank you kindly for your generous offer.

I do feel like I'm too deep to pull out at this point. Hoping for a solution that I won't have to go to trade school for. If it's a complicated fix though, I'd be looking at dumping 4 - 84s.

But if it's complicated, I get the feeling that your offer won't stand. :o
 
redddog said:
Well Bill. I thank you kindly for your generous offer.

I do feel like I'm too deep to pull out at this point. Hoping for a solution that I won't have to go to trade school for. If it's a complicated fix though, I'd be looking at dumping 4 - 84s.

But if it's complicated, I get the feeling that your offer won't stand. :o
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Well it stands, right here, right now, today. I need those guys!!! Roll the dice or PM me! :D:D It's an easy way to get part of the way back to what you would have done, had you known then what you know now.

bp
 
cannabis said:
i'd guess most people

who just wanted the pres

and didn't need the eq

ordered the 73 or the 84
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The 73 has hum problems, too. The only difference is that the 73's hum happens with the EQ off as well.
 
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antichef said:
a new "non-retail" arrangement that is -- more details to flesh out of course, like a reputation system for the manufactures, etc - anyway - I've learned my lesson about speculating alongside situations like this. Party on!
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That's a very good point (non-retail)...sorry for the faux pas!
 
mshilarious said:
The suggestions to them have centered around the tube itself, but no one has suggested basics like measuring supply voltages at each pin, or cracking open the PSU to see what's what. Thus, given the manufacturer's seeming inability to properly engineer a power supply, I would not trust anything from them that plugged directly into a wall. That said, there are plenty of those around from previous group buys, and none seem to have caught on fire . . .
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About the only thing really bad about the tube mic PSUs was that they were sloppy about the voltage, choosing a heater voltage that was a little on the high side rather than a little on the low side. Good for making 12AX7 Chinese tubes sound usable, apparently, but bad for tube life in general. Ideally, they should have used an LM317 and adjusted the voltage to be neither too high nor too low.
 
dgatwood said:
About the only thing really bad about the tube mic PSUs was that they were sloppy about the voltage, choosing a heater voltage that was a little on the high side rather than a little on the low side. Good for making 12AX7 Chinese tubes sound usable, apparently, but bad for tube life in general. Ideally, they should have used an LM317 and adjusted the voltage to be neither too high nor too low.
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Is that something that would be fixable? Or would it be cheaper to just get a different PSU? Thanks.

:D
 
Hey guys
I have been BRUTALLY busy and we are in the last stage of shipping. Once everything is shipped, we'll discuss problems and fixes, as well as new things on the horizon.
Anyone have a business card program? I'm all out of business cards and need them for NAMM this week. PM me
 
P. Glaser said:
Is that something that would be fixable? Or would it be cheaper to just get a different PSU? Thanks.

:D
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when Marik modded my 6802T, he made some changes to the PSU - looked well deliberated, but not extensive in terms of parts or labor.

I didn't get a 1200, but if that's the mic we're talking about, I reckon the folks TnC is working with for mod kits will address any power issues.
 
redddog said:
"Once again, they have taken advantage of American's ridiculous notion that you CAN get something for free. We fall for it time and time again. And they can hide behind a "lost in translation" line of bullshit as we fall over ourselves hoping the next time it will be better."
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"Please close your eyes, taste of sweetness sense of music by these. Let each note be injected into our soul."

Redddog, Bro, have you tried this yet? Have any of you tried this yet? It's clearly printed in the Manual. Maybe we just need to re-evaluate how it is that we are evaluating... "These series modules that are a sutra design and contain all of the original components."

I for one am going to step back for 7 minutes and come back to center.



OK! Feeling better now.

I'm still having some discomfort though. It was tough getting 4 of these Modules back out after having had them Injected into my Ass.

Now after properly injecting these Original Components sound into my soul I'm getting more Om and much less Hum... Ahhhh... Sweetness!


I gotta say, the Boneheads that are spewing "we knew what we were getting into" CRAP... That was not about weather or Not the equipment would work and Function correctly. The Gamble and Roll of the Dice was about weather or Not they would find a place of use in your studio because of their Quality of Sound. This is also why Replacement Ribbons were sent w/ No Charge... because the ACM-3 should have been Functioning correctly out of the Box.
 
vicenzajay said:
Exactly...It's actually getting a bit distracting to continually have individuals try to make those of us who are inquisitive as to what the he!! happened with the design, fabrication, assembly and then "non-testing" of these units feel as if we don't have valid concerns.
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Exactly

vicenzajay said:
..the fact is that the way these units were presented by (supposedly) those involved in both design/conception/listening to these units was unequivocably positive and downright defensive at times with regard to the quality of sound and the basic all around value of the product (not to mention how they came to be). To put it mildly, that has not been the way the delivery of these units has "developed" at all.
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This is where Chance screwed up. Chance told us on 02/08/08:

Q: just curious, but did you get an opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison with 1 of your 1073 modules?
A: (Chance) “LOL that was the first test we did. A/B sounded like A/A”

From day one Chance hyped the pres - or he was given a souped-up test pre by the factory - but if he was then why didn't he listen to Hyatt's concerns about the EQ on these? Why didn't Chance discuss it openly with Hyatt to make sure we weren't getting the sub-par pre's that Hyatt was so convinced were in production? ...And here we are today.

Part of me wants to take the piss at Chance for handling (or rather not handling) the pre's the way he did. Another part of me is satisfied (in some cases very satisfied) with the pre's & mics at their price points and feels thankful to Chance for making this opportunity available.

Eh.
 
antichef said:
when Marik modded my 6802T, he made some changes to the PSU - looked well deliberated, but not extensive in terms of parts or labor.

I didn't get a 1200, but if that's the mic we're talking about, I reckon the folks TnC is working with for mod kits will address any power issues.
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yeah marik did the same for me and in his words, he "tweaked" the psu. for me that means something that would be relatively easy and not too time consuming....
 
RightOnMusic said:
yeah marik did the same for me and in his words, he "tweaked" the psu. for me that means something that would be relatively easy and not too time consuming....
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but also it usually means

something that takes

a lot of knowledge

and experience

to do it right :)
 
cannabis said:
but also it usually means

something that takes

a lot of knowledge

and experience

to do it right :)
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to figure out what to do, yes, absolutely, and thankfully our group contains a few folks who have it.

To dumbly repeat steps that you read on the internet (like I do), not so much. :D - and to those of you who have been waiting for the full set of instructions - you are wise, and thus far I have been lucky (with my ACMP-81s, that is)...

Marik no doubt tuned my PSU to match the radically different circuit he built in the mic, so it would be sub-smart for me to parrot what he did in another PSU with another mic (not that that usually stops me) and even worse for me to attempt to reverse engineer it and suggest other people change their PSU's the same way -- but my guess is that the more wise/patient GB folks will be rewarded with some good howto instructions at some point (maybe accompanying the mod kits)
 
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