Grace 101 or RNP (Define Color for me please)

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I've got both. The Grace is very real. Sometimes, it imparts an air of extra realness to the sound. In a few cases, it can be too real. The RNP is a pre with a nice retro color. But, I'd say it's a 'tweener as it doesn't go all the way with defining itself with color. I obviously think these two reviews are the most accurate statements of opinion on these two mic preamps:

www.mojopie.com/grace101.html

www.mojopie.com/rnp.html
 
malcolm123 said:
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So what I gather " color " refers to frequency changes from the original source before entering the preamp.

IE, The RNP "colors" with a little boost in the high end freq?

Not really. The frequency response of preamps is generally quite flat. The differences in coloration are due to the character and the amount of distortion they produce.
 
Thanks All

Damn this is good stuff.

Thanks for the Rack links toooo !!


Im definetely getting one or the other next week.

I will probaly just F@ck with Fletcher at Mercenary.


Malcolm
 

Here's a list of adjectives I've been compiling that I've heard or seen used to describe the characteristics of mic pres and other assorted audio equipment.

Fat
Warm
Crisp
Clean
Transparent
Killer
Airy
Punchy
Thick
Brittle
Cold
Harsh
Creamy
Distorted
Heavy
Fast
Slow
Compressed
Colored
Tight
Focused
Clear
Natural
Fucking Amazing
Overdriven
Edgy
Shitty
Detailed
Big
Tight
Muddy
Wide
Hazy
Fleshy
Dark
Butterscotch
Sweet
Beefy
Valve-like

Dan Richards
Digital Pro Sound
The Listening Sessions


Gooey.....
 
I have a Grace m101 and It sounds great..what go's in is what comes out!!!

I was also stuck between the two but I'm very happy with my choice!!
 
Yo Malcolm! I won't try to compare the two pres in question, because I don't use either one, although I'm familiar with the spec's, and a cross section of Homerec opinion, like you. But- here's my spin on "color". Color is subtle distortion, that we like (sometimes). It is like airbrushing a centerfold to decrease the distraction of annoying detail. In the case of mics, this can be lip smacking, stomach growling, or uneven frequency peaks/stridor. Often, this includes crossover frequencies from other instruments or voices, or room reflections. Color is more often used on small ensembles and soloists for this reason- The more signals you have, the more likely it is that the color you liked so much on a source will cause it to get lost in the mix. And- the quality of the source is critical. If you are recording Pablo Casals on a $400,000 cello with a $60,000 bow in a perfect room, clean is probably the way to go. What kind of color would you want that he hasn't already got, either through skill, or by paying for it? Some babes don't need to be airbrushed. The better the source, the less color I want, as a rule.

This is a spectrum, though. *All* preamps produce some distortion, and even the cleanest preamps have their own sound. Guitar amps- big-time and on purpose. Mic pres- much more subtle, and not always on purpose. When we don't like it, "color" becomes "muddy". *Some* distortion is good *sometimes*, and some distortion sucks *all* the time. Amps that use tubes may be using them for power, and may produce very little distortion, or a lot more, depending on the tubes, the design, and how hard they are pushed (saturated). Amps with a small tube in the front end are *trying* to use the distortion-producing properties of the tube to produce color (warmth- the good side of "color"). Many of the priciest preamps, both current and vintage, are prized because they produce *wicked* good color. It may mean they're not right for everything, but for some things, they may be perfect. You don't need tubes to get good color, either, as the solid-state Neves mentioned above have proven for years.

My advice to most project studio beginners is to start with the two cleanest matched channels they can afford. When the preamp has to do everything, clean is more versatile than colored, and generally better for stereo recording. Then, over time, they can add the colored channel(s), when they know what they like, what they need, and what they can afford. Really good preamps, whether clean, colored, or in between, are Godawful expensive.
Hope that helps.-Richie
 
Way to bring back a 5 year old thread!!:eek:

Talk about life after death!:D
 
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