Got an Epiphone, now what to do with it?

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Not to sound snooty or patriotic Royston, but was your Epi, like Lennon's, made in the US?
 
You guys get hung up on where a guitar was made too much. No one can deny that the best cars are German and Japanese. So it makes sense that guitars from these countries are manufactured better instruments.

My 1992 Epiphone Sheraton was made in the orient and I have put it against a 1994 USA made Gibson Les Paul. The neck is almost identical and my standard Epiphone humbuckers had way more "meat" to them than the Gibson humbuckers. My friend who had the Gibson Les Paul was suprised how well mine was made. Granted, it may not quite cosmetically be as nice, but it's a better sounding guitar.
 
No one can deny that the best cars are German and Japanese. So it makes sense that guitars from these countries are manufactured better instruments.
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now thats just fucking stupid
 
aisians were making stringed wooden musical instruments well before anyone--they were first by hundreds of years...no matter who made it, you either like the sound and the way it feels or you don't...
 
Yeah, but just because they make (arguably) good cars doesnt mean they make good guitars.
 
i think we've run the gammut now...

ok.

We're working on the theory that expensive, skilled luthiers will do a better job than unskilled, low payed workers in a big factory. The other part is that the US guitars just plain get the better stuff, as in electronics, better wood.

Have you ever gone to a real vintage guitar show? Do you notice the people buying loads of American made guitars? It's asian guys. They know it too.

I still say, if you can afford it, have a luthier hand build a guitar for you. Care is given to each piece, as it is treated as a work of art rather than a product on an assembly line.

By the way, If you want a REAL Gibson guitar..buy a Heritige. Made in Kalamazoo, MI by the old guitar luthiers from the quality days of Gibson guitars.

Also, I see they are putting Gibson pickups in some of the new Epi LP's. This will make them an even better value, as the price has not increased.

ToyL is right...you either like it or you don't.

by the way - Who is interested in a blind test between a Epi LP, A Gibson LP, a Heritige LP, and a custom built LP style guitar. Do YOU think YOU could tell the difference with a blindfold on?:)

H2H
 
oh by the way...

I own and drive a Volvo 960 and a Ford MustangGT. The Volvo gives me much more trouble than the Mustang ever does.

;)H2H
 
yes vox, the top-side of an elec.guitar (including the fret board) would seem to provide a very hard surface for "vibrations" to reflect off of--this explains why so little of the strings' vibration travels through the body (starting at a point where the pick is, I presume) and into the neck....and what of this tiny amount of vibration that is not reflected away from the guitar?--Nothing, that's what....somewhere at the molecular level "in" the wood it dissapates without a trace....I believe this is precisely why the design of the neck joint and the type of wood used in construction are not factors which significantly affect tone or resonance for solid-body elec.guitars....obviously, I could be wrong..
in reply to your example of the various "different" sounds you can get by picking closer to or farther away from the bridge, consider this--the reason you get different tones by varying the location of your pick is because you have altered the time it takes for the "attack" to arrive at the pick-up--the closer your pick is to the pick-up, the greater your "attack"...exactly what one "hears" as a result of "more" attack is "more" level (loudness) and content at the beginning of a note or any other sound...this increased presence at the beginning of a note is described variously to include references to tone and resonance...however it is described, it is a function of the time it takes for the first few milliseconds of sound to travel whatever distance the player has set his pick away from the hottest spot under the strings...
I think some of you are missing something here...try this--strike a string on your elec.guitar precisely with x amount of force, and measure the amount of time it takes for the string to quit vibrating.....then, take the same string and perform the same test without the guitar under it....your measurement will be practically the same....could this mean that the presence of your guitar under the string did not increase the duration (sustain) of the vibration?....exactly what is the probability that any one vibration of a string will reflect "directly" back toward the string?
and when this does occur, what is the probability that a later vibration will intercept the reflected vibration and prevent it from "compounding"?...anyone?
 
You just do not know when to quit do you

ONCE AGAIN, THE NECK JOINT AND THE TYPE OF WOOD USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION ARE FACTORS IN THE TONE. WHAT DO THE PICKUPS DETECT???? THE VIBRATIONS OF THE STRINGS. WHAT DETERMINS THE WAY THE STRINGS VIBRATE???? THE MATERIAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE GUITAR. YOU CAN ARGUE ALL YOU WANT BUT FACTS ARE FACTS.



in reply to your example of the various "different" sounds you can get by picking closer to or farther away from the bridge, consider this--the reason you get different tones by varying the location of your pick is because you have altered the time it takes for the "attack" to arrive at the pick-up--the closer your pick is to the pick-up, the greater your "attack"...exactly what one "hears" as a result of "more" attack is "more" level (loudness) and content at the beginning of a note or any other sound...this increased presence at the beginning of a note is described variously to include references to tone and resonance...however it is described, it is a function of the time it takes for the first few milliseconds of sound to travel whatever distance the player has set his pick away from the hottest spot under the strings...
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As for this little theory why don't you explain why it still occurs when the damn guitar is NOT plugged in????? Cant do it can you??? Maybe thats because you are wrong.
 
toyL said:
yes vox, the top-side of an elec.guitar (including the fret board) would seem to provide a very hard surface for "vibrations" to reflect off of...

....exactly what is the probability that any one vibration of a string will reflect "directly" back toward the string?
and when this does occur, what is the probability that a later vibration will intercept the reflected vibration and prevent it from "compounding"?...anyone?
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When I wrote
" ..the strings vibration is not a simple harmonic vibration, it's a complex compound vibration with reflected waves travelling up and down the length of the string.."
I meant that waves travel the length of the string and reflect back along the string from the bridge and the nut. If you lay a long guitar cord straight on the ground and then 'whip' one end of it up and down once quickly a 'wave' will travel the length of the cord, this is an example of what I was referring to.
 
agreed--the action of a vibrating guitar string is "complex"....I believe the word used to describe your "traveling" waves is "propagation"--as in to extend or transmit through space; also, as in to increase or multiply--which is what some theorists mean when they use the word--"compound"--in reference to the notion that some of the vibration from a string will reflect back onto the surface of the string thereby creating a more complex event than what you have accurately called a "simple harmonic vibration".....I am familiar with this "theory", and much of what takes place can not only be measured, but can also be simulated digitally--without the need for "measurements".....however, I know of no one who has actually tested for and measured any energy waves being reflected from a glued neck joint or being absorbed by a glued neck joint....the amount of energy, even from a heavy-handed performance, that actually enters the neck joint would be so small that it couldn't possibly color the "sound" of the signal being collected in the "space" where string vibrations meet the elctromagnetic field of the pick-up....perhaps someone does know of published work regarding the aforementioned measurements....if so, I invite them to cite their references so that those of us with "poor" hearing can begin to assimilate the info and maybe make a few changes in our gear or our technique.....I guess I'm ready to let this one go, unless someone has some new info or a new thought on the matter.....thanks for putting up with me, and thanks for all the spirited criticism....toyL
 
Yo Carter,

I prefer my Epiphone to a Gibson. Period. You can not deny that I prefer my Epiphone.
 
I prefer my Epiphone to a Gibson. Period. You can not deny that I prefer my Epiphone.
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Thats great, did I ever deny that or even imply that I was denying that???????
 
so toyL-

You probably think that modeling amps sound just like tube amps, too...don't you?

PS guys, the reason I haven't posted a review for the Cybertwin is because I returned it...more to follow in a new post.

H2H
 
I didn't know you bought one H2H. Please write more soon, I cant wait to hear whats wrong with it.
 
tubes are the only way to go for my purposes--rock....my left channel is a 100w fender twin, and the right is a 400w peavey butcher....would like to get a marshall someday, but I'm not exactly a pro--which makes it hard to justify the expense....no, I don't have much need for active electronics built into the amp or the guitar....there's actually not much to my front end these days....I like the vox wah and the bigmuffpi at my feet, and only reverb and delay through the processor.....recently bought a digitech whammy and it's a blast when I can get a grip on it....what is your set up like?
 
wait wait wait!

WAIT WAIT
Hey we are way off subject!
Hey if its the only guitar you are gonna get werk it over new tuners pickups, do it.
if you are gonna get somethin new in the near future dont. I had a moded epi special II I liked it now I have a custom. I had a studio lite(real Giby).
I like em all fer there merit.
So dont say its crap.
-Reeeeeco
 
sorry about that reco...without a little supervision I tend to make up my own rules as I go...
 
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