Going To School

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I gotta go ahead and get ready for school. They have this new Audio Engineering Program now where im located (south carolina). Its in Columbia but thats only like 30 minutes away from me. Anyways how many of you are actually goin to school for music production/audio engineering/sound? With that in mind I need to sale a few things so I can have some money for school.

Up for grabs

-3 Disc CD Duplicator-power cable, disk, and pack of printable disks(unopen)-$385 shipped.
-Lot of Cables-$30 shipped(audio, midi, power, speaker wire, and adapters)
-Lot of 30 Records-$15 shipped(list available-mainly classical type music)
-Basic Keyboard Stand-$12 shipped
-Basic Stands-$5 shipped
-Roland VS-2000CD-$1200 shipped
-Lot of Computer/Laptop Stuff-$25 shipped(dell docking station,dell margi,basic soundcard, pci usb card(adds two extra usb slots), ethernet cables, phone cable, paper stand, and Lezmark Printer)

Thanks
Nicole
 
i'm going to full sail in florida for recording arts in 08 cuz it cost too much money for me right now and i can't get no grants and shit till i'm 24 they said...so yea thas whack.....the vs2000cd i can get brand new for that price girl so you gonna have to drop that if you want it bought
 
DesertEase said:
i'm going to full sail in florida for recording arts in 08 cuz it cost too much money for me right now and i can't get no grants and shit till i'm 24 they said...so yea thas whack.....the vs2000cd i can get brand new for that price girl so you gonna have to drop that if you want it bought
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DO NOT GO TO FULL SAIL!!!!!!

I repeat, for the love of all things sacred... DO NOT GO TO FULL SAIL!!!!

That school is a scam, I know an instructor there. It's a ripoff for what you actually learn, and they have little to no credit amongst the industry.

I almost went there myself, but I was (luckily) talked out of it.
 
I feel yall on wanting to go to school for audio engineering, but I would like to put out there that if your going to actually learn it'd be cheaper and more 1 on 1 if you just go to a local pro studio and learn under an engineer there. All you'd be paying is hourly studio time, you'd be able to record your songs and learn all at the same time. If your just there to learn rather than record they might even discount the hourly studio time depending on their schedule.

Now if your going strictly for credentials (I learned under so & so @ this institution) or for some sort of certification, that's a different story. Regardless training doesn't promise anyone anything so make sure this is really something you want to do before you invest.

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That VS-2000 comes with alot of options. Brand New they dont come with the vga/mouse expansion. That price also includes s&h and im also accepting best offers. I have two people interested right now so i will keep yall posted.

Thanks
Nicole
 
DesertEase said:
where would you recommend going then?
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Depends on why you're going.

You want to be an engineer? You want to be a producer? What is it you want to do?

Most state schools have Audio Engineering programs. I know there are two in Michigan (my state) that are nationally accredited. There's also a variety of specialty schools like Full Sail, that overcharge, and aren't there to teach, but to make money.

So, what is it you want to do?
 
Well for me the reason im goin is to have the education, certifcation, and to get job placement. With a certificate in Audio Engineering you will def be able to land jobs in the music, radio, or tv industry. I def cant wait to get started. It will look nice on your resume.

Nicole
 
misscc803 said:
Well for me the reason im goin is to have the education, certifcation, and to get job placement. With a certificate in Audio Engineering you will def be able to land jobs in the music, radio, or tv industry. I def cant wait to get started. It will look nice on your resume.

Nicole
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Don't be so naive, ma.

The certificate is merely a piece of paper. Like the rest of us, you'll start out as a tracking engineer running 3:00 AM sessions for no-name bands until you've proven you're worth your weight in salt.

Then, they'll let you mix some sessions for no-name bands.

You'll need 5 or 6 years of solid professional experience before you start working with anyone major, or doing anything major.

The only exceptions to that, are audio geniuses. Those are rare...

Will the cert help you get in the door? Yes... Will you make more than $25K - $35K out of school? Not a chance... Will the cert get you a job? Nope. They'll still want demo's and proof of your work before they hire you.

You don't have to believe me, though. I'm just speaking from experience.
 
Yeah well its actually a diploma not a piece of paper. But its not that expensive and where I stay I have to take all the offers handed to me. This aint a big music city. I have tried to get numerous jobs but didnt have anything to show that I had experience(certificate program or degree). To me if you have the money and its something you want to do then go for it. Everybody has their views of things. But thanks for your drop.

Nicole
 
misscc803 said:
Yeah well its actually a diploma not a piece of paper. But its not that expensive and where I stay I have to take all the offers handed to me. This aint a big music city. I have tried to get numerous jobs but didnt have anything to show that I had experience(certificate program or degree). To me if you have the money and its something you want to do then go for it. Everybody has their views of things. But thanks for your drop.

Nicole
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you not to go to school. I'm telling you, explore your options, don't overpay for your schooling, and don't hold the misconception that your certification will get you the job you desire.

One of my very good friends was a professional engineer for 10 years. He's got Gold plaques on his wall. He's worked with Dre, Too Short, Stat Quo, Lil Jon, David Banner, on and on... He works in a MAJOR music city, and has never made more than $35K in a single year as an engineer...

I started out as an intern in a pro studio, sweeping floors in exchange for sitting in on and learning in mixing/tracking sessions. I worked a full year for no pay, but I received a priceless amount of knowledge in return. After my internship, I put in 2 years of work for a studio.

When I moved back to michigan, I interviewed at a couple of studios. None of them asked for certification... All of them asked for copies of projects my name was on. They didn't care about a diploma, they cared about experience and product to back it up. Feel me?

There's more than one way to skin a cat. One is less expensive, and more of a grind. The other is overpriced and still a grind.
 
Yeah but the program is only $2094 thats all i pay and then books which isnt more than 200 bucks for the total time Im there. We will work in the classroom and also work in one of Columbia's well known studios and thats The Jam Room. I mean for that price thats good. Its just for audio engineering no english, math, ect.. I understand what you are saying but I def want to get more hands on experience, knowledge, and at the same time enjoy what im doing. But once again thanks for all your insight I def respect that.

Nicole
 
Another thing were i stay there arent many big studios and then the studios i know of arent really looking for any help. But we have alot of radio stations and news station that need people who for sound board operation and u know stuff dealing with that. All those jobs require an certification or degree in sound engineer, radio broadcastion, or music technology(or similar courses). Now im speaking about where I stay its gonna be different in other locations. I like to start where I can and work my way up.

As you know I could easily do music from my studio like I been doing but when there are job openings for other areas of the entertainment business that spark my interest and I dont have some type of certification or degree I miss out on a great oppurtunity. I mean this one job was offering $14/hour which is great pay where I stay but I didnt have the credentials needed. I was like damn. But as u stated there are numerous ways to go about it and this is the way I have choosen.

Nicole
 
misscc803 said:
but I didnt have the credentials needed. I was like damn. ... this is the way I have choosen.

Nicole
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tthere is nothing wrong with goin the school route - but even while you are in school - find ways to get your name on other people's projects - even no names. at the end of the day your resume in this case, actually it might be called a portfolio - is going to be more impressive than the diploma.

honestly, i would also look at any community colleges in your area -

and call around to other studios and tv and radio stations - get their opinion of the schools in the area - that is the key!!! get references about the school ur goin to . . .
 
misscc803 said:
Yeah but the program is only $2094 thats all i pay and then books which isnt more than 200 bucks for the total time Im there. We will work in the classroom and also work in one of Columbia's well known studios and thats The Jam Room. I mean for that price thats good. Its just for audio engineering no english, math, ect.. I understand what you are saying but I def want to get more hands on experience, knowledge, and at the same time enjoy what im doing. But once again thanks for all your insight I def respect that.

Nicole
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That's what's up right there. That's the perfect price for schooling. I was speaking about the specialty schools like Full Sail, which charge $30G's a year for the same training you'll get for your $2G's.

That's why I'm so adamant about not going to places like Full Sail. The industry as a whole, looks at them as a joke.
 
Another thing to consider: the "diploma" is only as good as the institution giving it out. No one will give a rat's ass about it if they do not recognize where you got it.

Now, it MAY make sense to go this route for the connections and possibilities to get in on some projects alone.
 
Well misscc803 I'm in one of those schools matter of fact I'm 80% done with the course.

Do I think that it will get me a job afterwards scrictly through the school?

Hell no but I have gotten jobs from doing good work and being recognized at the school.

Have any of them paid me big bucks?

Hell no but I have learnt a great deal from those gigs probably more than I could learn at any school.

Why am I telling you all this?

Because I believe the best thing you can do while you are attending school is to find out who knows there shit, befriend them and leech as much information as you can possibly retain off of them. Those folks are the real reason you should go to school not for that piece of paper they give you for completing a course. Believe me in this field it you might as well wipe your ass with that diploma. It's more of a who knows you and will vouch for you type deal from what I've seen. But these are just my opinions take them for what there worth.
 
i wanna go to school to become a producer cuz my passion is beat makin and producing tracks
 
DesertEase said:
i wanna go to school to become a producer cuz my passion is beat makin and producing tracks
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Straight up man an audio engineering program will not teach you how to make beats they will teach you how to record.

And the first thing they tell you is that a producer is not the person that makes beats that is the arranger. Don't take it the wrong way but most of the schools are not oriented around hiphop.
 
All great information and I def have been checking the program's credentials. I talked with two studio owners in that area and they work with students from that program. They offer internships and small pay jobs which is good cause every option available I want to take. Why? It gets me one step closer. See you guys this is why i love the music field. Its so much one can do and still enjoy life. I love yall so much cause yall really are bringin some great ideas/information to the table not only for me but others who feel the way I feel also.

So thanks once again for the ideas/tips/information.

Nicole
 
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