Gibson going Digital

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Just wondering what is the opinion of Gibson's new digital line of guitars, like a Les Paul that hooks up to an ethernet cable? Seems like they are turning their back on a century of history, or am I just paranoid? Your opinions please. :confused:
http://www.gibsondigital.com/
 
My guess is paranoid.

Digital guitar stuff has been around for a while. Gibson just added the digital pickup to a Les Paul and is making a big deal about it. All the exact same electronics of a regular old Les Paul on an analog cable- just like always- with the additional option of the individual digital outputs.

Yeay, rah. :rolleyes: So you can have a different amp on each string. Big f'in deal. I suppose you could send it to a guitar MIDI brain and have horns play your B string and the windsection playing the g string. Aren't you excited?

Neither am I. The technology has been around since the early 90's. Its a good idea with pretty limited application. By adding it to a stock guitar Gibson is trying to look modern and probably testing the waters to see if they should develop more digital options for guitarists. More power to them.

Meanwhile, my stock 1986 LP Custom and I still get along just fine.

Take care,
Chris
 
I was just going by the vague descriptions that they have on their website, they seem to make it sound like they invented digital guitar. That was the part I wanted opinions on.
 
Anfontan said:
Just wondering what is the opinion of Gibson's new digital line of guitars, like a Les Paul that hooks up to an ethernet cable? Seems like they are turning their back on a century of history, or am I just paranoid? Your opinions please. :confused:
http://www.gibsondigital.com/
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I am happy they are doing this. (so long as they don't turn their back on 'normal' gutiars)

You know who Winchester is? They just closed their plant. 150 years of great production, but they couldn't compete because they refused to make anything 'modern'. So they got what was coming to them. Sad, but thats how things go when you don't keep moving forward with the rest of the world.

You have more than likely heard of Ford Motor Company. they once has something like a 90% market share. IMO that is close enough to just call it a monopoly and its just a matter of time before they find a way to take the other 10%. But you knwo what they did? They just kept making the same old same old until all the sudden, someone named Chevy came from almost nowhere to outsell them one year. Never been the same since. :D
 
ok, i've been on the web site, watched the videos read the articles saw the little diagrams ...what's the point ?

could someone explain please.

stereo pups and guitars have existed for years (rick...) and as far as the 'one amp a string' is concerned ... "#é@&"#|'´[~ ????????

not even the guys endorsing this seem to be convinced that it's actualy usefull.
 
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You have more than likely heard of Ford Motor Company. they once has something like a 90% market share. IMO that is close enough to just call it a monopoly and its just a matter of time before they find a way to take the other 10%. But you knwo what they did? They just kept making the same old same old until all the sudden, someone named Chevy came from almost nowhere to outsell them one year. Never been the same since.


Ford had only one color, black. That's why Chevy outsold them. We covered this in managerial finance class. :) Gibson? I have no idea why they are doing this? For what target market? Can't help but wonder how much R&D expense went into bringing this to market.


J.{.
 
How can someone NOT see how it would be cool to have your bottom three strings on one amp and your top three on another? Or recording each string to a seperate track while strumming chords? You could get one hell of a surround sound panoramic type thing going with that. With just one guitar!

You people lack imagination.

It's not like they're trying to reinvent anything, they're only giving you more tools to use. That's NEVER EVER EVER a bad thing.

And I don't understand the concerns of the guy who started this thread at all. What, does he think they're going to stop producing every other model now?
 
How can someone NOT see how it would be cool to have your bottom three strings on one amp and your top three on another? Or recording each string to a seperate track while strumming chords? You could get one hell of a surround sound panoramic type thing going with that. With just one guitar!

Krammer had a guitar that you could pan each individual string in the mid-late eighties. EDWARD VANHALEN of all people was endorsing it....it failed miserably. As for a seperate string to each track while strumming chords,music theory aside, I can't help but wonder if those sounds would sound like individula notes rather than chords to begin with.


<i>You people lack imagination. </i>

I "imagine" the results are probably not worth the price.If you think so, buy one, record it, and post it.


J.P.
 
sweetpeee said:
You have more than likely heard of Ford Motor Company. they once has something like a 90% market share. IMO that is close enough to just call it a monopoly and its just a matter of time before they find a way to take the other 10%. But you knwo what they did? They just kept making the same old same old until all the sudden, someone named Chevy came from almost nowhere to outsell them one year. Never been the same since.
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Ford had only one color, black. That's why Chevy outsold them. We covered this in managerial finance class. :) Gibson? I have no idea why they are doing this? For what target market? Can't help but wonder how much R&D expense went into bringing this to market.


J.{.
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:)

.....that and Ford only made the model T for 19 years. :eek:
 
sweetpeee said:
I "imagine" the results are probably not worth the price.If you think so, buy one, record it, and post it.
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Ok, so you DO have imagination. You just expend it all on imagining how much something you've not yet experienced yourself will suck.

Well, keep on keepin' on then, lil' dreamer!

And will do. Post examples if I buy, that is.
 
I think the problem here is the outboard gear. Unlike a Line6 Variax, you can't just plug into a normal amp and get different sounds. You need the other outboard gear. I'm not convinced this is a sellable product to the rank and file guitar buyers.

It does offer some special things (like amp switching by string), but that's pretty far out there for most.

Ed
 
Ok, so you DO have imagination. You just expend it all on imagining how much something you've not yet experienced yourself will suck.

Is that what I posted? Show me where I said it would suck.Not my words, yours. What I said was, it's probably not worth the PRICE. A Hex pickup (Roland makes the one I have...so no, this is nothing new).It takes an E-cable (can you go wireless with this? Doesn't look like you can) after the hex pickup and the cable, you still have to go through the "magic box". Add all of that to the expense of a brand new Les Paul..."imagine" that if you will.

Well, keep on keepin' on then, lil' dreamer!

Ah, a Van Halen song, perhaps he recorded it on that panning Krammer guitar that flopped...


J.P.
 
Ed Dixon said:
I think the problem here is the outboard gear. Unlike a Line6 Variax, you can't just plug into a normal amp and get different sounds. You need the other outboard gear. I'm not convinced this is a sellable product to the rank and file guitar buyers.

It does offer some special things (like amp switching by string), but that's pretty far out there for most.

Ed
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Yes!The outboard gear.That was my point about price. Not to mention, the more things you have in your signal chain, the more things can go wrong.

J.P.
 
sweetpeee said:
Yes!The outboard gear.That was my point about price. Not to mention, the more things you have in your signal chain, the more things can go wrong.

J.P.
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Don't keyboards have both self contained units and also just the controller to be hooked to outboard gear via MIDI? More stuff to go wrong, or endless options?

Give it time. Stuff doesn't just invent itself.
 
why don't you "imagine" this foot in your...

sweetpeee said:
Is that what I posted? Show me where I said it would suck.Not my words, yours. What I said was, it's probably not worth the PRICE. A Hex pickup (Roland makes the one I have...so no, this is nothing new).It takes an E-cable (can you go wireless with this? Doesn't look like you can) after the hex pickup and the cable, you still have to go through the "magic box". Add all of that to the expense of a brand new Les Paul..."imagine" that if you will.
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Whys come you can quote ed just fine and not me?

But no, you're right, whenever anyone says they have no idea why a company would make this product, and it's not worth it, that clearly means they think it doesn't suck. I don't know why I thought otherwise. But I apologize for my embarrassing error in judgement.

Anyway, I'm looking at this thing as a recording tool. That's where I'm seeing the big advantages. And if I wanted to use it out live I'd probably just bypass all the gadgetry and use the "classic output mode". Then it's just a Les Paul. And as far as I'm concerned, you can never have too many Les Pauls.

Ah, a Van Halen song, perhaps he recorded it on that panning Krammer guitar that flopped...
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Why don't you bring that up a few more times. I don't think we got it the first few.

One, Kramer blows. And two, this aint the 80's anymore. Technological thingies have vastly improved since the days of mullets. Thirdly, I'm not concerned with Gibson's sales. If no one else takes advantage of a cool new creative tool except me, well then I'd say that makes me a winner at life.

Now stop arguing with me. Here, let me make it easier:

Dear Internets,
I'm sorry about that 'imagination' crack. It was not meant to hurt anyone's feelings. I mean sure, it's how I really feel and all, but I should've known that saying what you really feel is always a mistake. Please accept my humble apology.
 
why don't you "imagine" this foot in your...

Thought it was just a disagreement, nothing personal...my mistake.

But no, you're right, whenever anyone says they have no idea why a company would make this product, and it's not worth it, that clearly means they think it doesn't suck.

Again, I said it "probably" was not worth it because, to ME, it probably isn't. But I realize, like you, I should have known saying what I really feel is a mistake.

Anyway, I'm looking at this thing as a recording tool. That's where I'm seeing the big advantages.

That's how YOU are looking at it.If you read my original statement: "I have no idea why they are doing this? For what target market? Can't help but wonder how much R&D expense went into bringing this to market. "

That was meant as three sentances about the same subject....the business end of it. What will be the demand curve for this product? What is the cost/benefit? What does the competition have to offer?
 
Some more info...

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/02/19/195251.php

"Retails for $4000.00"

http://entertainment.polo.com/magazine/editorial/sp05/digital_guitar.asp

"And then I started to wonder… so what? Isn’t enough to get a guitar, plug it into an amp or a stomp box, and thrash away? Who is really going to utilize all that capability? Sure, there will be a small contingent of home-studio tech-heads that will wring everything possible out of every piece of gear, but what about the weekend basement blasters like me? A lot will hinge on the price. One website, Polo.com of all places, has it listed at a cool four grand. That’s about a grand for a great guitar and three more for all the digital gadgetry. The initial pricing will likely mean slow adoption and low breakout sales. With many, many years and millions of dollars of development on the line, has Gibson R&D’d themselves into big financial trouble ?"


http://www.oreillynet.com/digitalmedia/blog/2005/02/gibson_digital_guitar_a_packet.html


Hmmm...I think maybe they meant $3K for the guitar and $1K for the electronics...at least I hope that's what they mean.

J.P.
 
i think this could be cool for really spacey/electronic music, but that's about it.

keyword: think. i don't know for sure, so don't flame me for what i THINK it will be like.
 
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