Getting the run around....

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Nope ur rong, im not a newb

take it back!!


p.s. I would rake Pres. Bush's backyard with a backhoe if he was gypin kids out of benjamins. Ahm not skurred of uh hahh powst caahnt!
 
Ur not the prosecution, I am. Everyone can see ur the defense. Ur Honor look at his seedy eyes, sloping brow, he HAS to be the defense.

Aghh! the nerve of your posturing. As if!
 
Get what?

Are you saying something like you are bumping your wife on the arm, pointing at the screen and snickering about some "in" joke?

or is it something else?
 
Eurythmic said:
You'll get it one day, son.

OOOOOOHHHHH Listen to Mr. Big, 327 posts talking!!!! Rub it in Bro..... In fact if me and Khomp were in the same room with ya, I bet you would have some big fat guys hold us down and shave 327 onto the top of our heads....

IM gonna find some way to hack in and make my post count 20,000,,, that'll give you something to work for......:D

I might have a smaller post count, but I was watching this board and reading the craziness a year before Bruce and all the upper guys even started.......I just felt above this all...:D

Well now im not...

I bet you play a USA Strat right Eurythmic.... Well I play Mexican, and it sounds just as good, for half the price....

That was a metaphor on life.......

Wanna know another secret..... Put the first Ghostbusters movie into your VHS and connect it to the ins on your DAW... Fastforward to 50 minutes and 59 seconds, then Quantize it to 666 beats per minute.... and guess what happens??????

Well, you will find out...when you get as experienced as me..

Ahhhh, I hate America.

Why do people drink skim milk but then eat Philidelphia Cream cheeze on there bagels?

Whats with the name Eurythmic?.... Dave Stewert was awesome once he got rid of the broad......

Anyways.. Don't read to deeply into this... just deeply read it...

BG
 
Thank the GODS it's over!

The CDs came today, and I've never been more happy to see a package in my life. (Seriously, I'm writing a 40 page paper for my class in school right now and it hasn't created even half as much stress as this stupid mastering job).

So what about the CD? Well, it sounds pretty good. There is only one song that I am not totally satisfied with, and it's not entirely Sjoko's fault. I mean, he could only work with what I sent him.

Of course, the one song is something we could have easily fixed, but I've certainly had enough waiting anxiously at the mailbox. I'll take it as is. Good enough. End of story.

So folks, what did we learn from this experience? A few things at least:

1) If someone offers to do you a "favor," ask them if you can spend an extra hundred bucks or so to get "normal" business coverage. As it turns out, the favor won't always work in your favor.

2) If you take on a job, and then have circumstances that prevent your getting to it, remember the key word: "communication." Keep in contact with your customers, even the little ones. Send them at least an email saying "I'm sorry I can't get to your job right now, would you like to cancel or wait?"

3) If you are stranded and don't know what to do, try posting here. I can't tell you how reassuring it was to find so many people rushing to help, or at least to try and understand. I seriously think that a little public pressure is what gets things done sometimes. And if you can articulate your position, people really do listen.

4) If it seems like someone is scamming you, just remember that there may be circumstances that you don't know about. Sometimes there are very good reasons they can't actually follow through. So, expect good service, but be fair too.

So now I'll move on with life, a little wiser maybe. I sincerely hope Sjoko gets better soon.

That's all for me folks. I've got to go write that paper....

Squashboy

P.S. I liked the lawnmowing analogy--that was good :)


:)
 
Congrats to the both Sjoko2 and Squashboy for resolving the situation. Now maybe this thread can be laid to rest.
 
Epilogue.

Quote from Khompewtur;......."If he posts that he received his mastered disk I will be glad to PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE for doubting sjoko"

I'm just waiting to see the apology appear.
Ain't it a pity some people are so friggin' quick to jump in over their heads..........hopefully they may learn from this.

Peace.......ChrisO :cool:
 
Aurock Posted: "Ain't it a pity some people are quick to jump in over there heads...

Hopefully they may learn from this.."


AUSROCK.... Nope, I haven't learned anything from it.... I was debating ethics based on given scenarios, in fact in this thread a few times, I mentioned I was just debating the scenario, and Sjoko might just as well be trustworthy and the other guy wrong... I never "convicted" Sjoko, I was just working on the given scenario

I would post in a second if a new one came up... I love these things.... Not just the usually BBS babble, something to really think about.....



SQUASHBOY......
Good to see your cd got to you...


SJOKO
I get to be one of the first to apoligize.....It's a free forum and really we can say what we want, but for the good of humanity, it's still nice to exhibit some sort of apology in a situation like this....

Sorry to Sjoko seems your trustworthy... I don't even know yah, but when a good thread pops up with ethics invovled, I just gotta jump in..

Hell I would do it tommorow if another one came up.....:)


What about Mixmkr, has he gotten his yet.......the others too?

(Just out of curiousity)

BG
 
ausrock said:
Epilogue.

Quote from Khompewtur;......."If he posts that he received his mastered disk I will be glad to PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE for doubting sjoko"

I'm just waiting to see the apology appear.
Ain't it a pity some people are so friggin' quick to jump in over their heads..........hopefully they may learn from this.

Peace.......ChrisO :cool:

What a shock, huh?

Good to hear that this was resolved. Hopefully sjoko will be feeling better in the near future, and will be able to return to business as usual.

It's tough to be a good business person when health or life is on the line. When you're sick, not a lot else matters. :(
 
Bleeding Gums said:


What about Mixmkr, has he gotten his yet.......the others too?

(Just out of curiousity)

BG

No....after several months, Sjoko finally told me that he was declining to do mine (for musical content reasons.....it was all a CD of different types of flatulance......naw!!...actually it was Christian rock). But he did however compliment me on the recording. Squashboy was the first I have heard that got his and liked the end product. This is good.

I don't feel I really got my situation/point across to a lot of people, but that's OK too. I wasn't ever trying to critisize anyones mastering abilities.....just on how stories had changed, and how peoples expectations weren't being kept in mind. I do get a little annoyed when OTHER people are quick to judge a situation in which they are no part of (like mine, for instance...and the others in which they where treated like me), and tell us things like we should be "honored" or "we're impatient" or "getting a deal", etc., etc. Those people, I feel have no feel on how the business transaction was viewed from the potential clients, and like I have stated before, probably only know Sjoko thru the Internet and make their judgements based soley on that, which is a grave mistake in my opinion. One in particular seems to be the "echo" of Harvey Gerst, and the other seemingly knowledgeable posters here, as their posts never seem to contain any originality, but only repeat what has been said by the local "gurus" here...and I really get the impression that they actually have no personal experience with the methods/equipment they recommend....just that the "big boys" said it is good...so they say the same. Hence, any disagreements with the "big boys", and this person is first in line to jump the debater's ass and think that the person with a differing opinion is some sort of prick (or imply that attitude). I think we all know who that person is....and coincedently, they have a shitload of posts here too.

In the end, all that is important is Sjoko's health, and we all continue to make music.
 
Queue's gonna read between the lines...

Mixmkr,
I'm guessing why your stuff was declined had less to do with your musical stylings and more to do with the fact that you did not send cash up front.

My (fictional, loosely based on facts learned in 3 threads here)spin on the whole thing:

Sjoko makes the offer, gets a bunch of submissions (with bucks up front) based on his rep here, and one submission with no $ (Mixmkr's). Upon receipt of said $, cashes the checks and starts into the process of setting up his mastering room.

-BAM!-

Surgery hell...
So much to deal with, Sjoko finds it easy to ignore these guys. It gets easier the longer it goes on. Mixmkr, eager to know whether or not Sjoko thinks he can do something for his stuff, is the first to press for answers. Sjoko, having all sorts of time problems what with the surgery etc., takes the easy way out on Mixmkr's stuff.

Then there's all these other guys... Already cashed their checks, money is money. String 'em along, find the time to finish things off (somehow, in between surgeries and not being able to hear) rather than have to send back the $.

Obviously better communication would've prevented the situation, but that observation benefits from the 20/20 vision of hindsight.

Queue
 
Queue said:
Queue's gonna read between the lines...
Queue


hhhhmmmm......

BTW, I was urged to send a CD..."listening was free." Then the story continues......

We could all go back an find the original quotes (they're there), but we've all got better things to do, right?? :-)
 
I'm glad everyone got their discs back,

didn't they?

Is every disgruntled person satisfied, or not, at this point?

Maybe Sjoko's great, maybe not. Who knows what happened, really, and who cares? Maybe Sjoko's a flake, or he got in over his head, or had personal problems. Maybe, if his having surgery is legit, then everyone should cut him some slack. No one knows for sure, or necessarily cares.

Q: Did every Sjoko virtual-client, or disgruntled CD-person get satisfied yet?
 
Well well. As some of you might have noticed, I have not visited homewreckers for a while. A few of you know the details concerning my health, for the rest of you, quite frankly, its my business, not yours. Suffice to say it has stopped me from working on music for months. Quite a bummer if you've just opened a new studio complex after over a year of construction.

Apparently I could have seen the ‘not very well’ thing coming – I was showing all the signs of ‘unwellness’, mainly by making the mastering offer. How stupid could I get?

I was made aware of this tread by one of my friends here, when it was just a couple of responses. Thusfar, I have selected to treat it with the contempt it deserves. However, now all the remaining projects have been completed, I feel I owe it to myself to put things straight.

I did a total of 12 jobs as a result of the ‘at cost’ offer. Prior to being unable to continue, all but three were completed and returned. So all this crap is the result of three mastering jobs. Well, not even that really, just two of them. The third one had faulty Wav files and on the mixes so the person concerned had to re-do them (neither did he complain).

Had I known that my condition would have prohibited me from doing my job for longer than a couple of weeks, I would have simply returned the projects. Would have saved myself a lot of hassle. As I initially thought I’d be out for a couple of weeks, maximum, I did not send them back.

So those are the simple facts, nothing more nothing less. I asked those whose jobs I did do not to respond on here, long before all this happened. This as I included a list of feedback to each track with suggestions as well as a gear analysis, and I’m working direct with some of those involved on improving their techniques and setups. One of them is coming here to work for a week as an intern, all good fun, produces results, which was the intention in the first place

Almost forgot, there is one more job outstanding, but that involves making a “mastering sampler” for Ed (sonus), which I’m looking forward to doing, as its all very well recorded material. Without negative criticism intended at all, I would like you to be aware that it is many times more difficult and takes many times longer to master a “non-professionally” recorded project, that it does a high quality “pro” project. No matter how good the mastering tools, no matter how good a mastering engineers’ skills, you can only work with what is there.

Now for a bit of venom towards shitmeister supreme, mixmkr ……….
Sweetheart, I’m sorry you see the world as such a bitter place and feel the need to try and put your little boots in places intended to trip people up. The simple fact is that I did listen to your CD, as I told you. I even commented that it was well recorded and mixed. I choose not to extend the mastering offer to you, as it was obvious you were struggling with a huge attitude problem. I think you have proven the correctness of my observation by the contents of your posts ………. Sour grapes all the way, how pathetic. Funny therefore that the content of your music is all about God and Jesus. But Hey! I think I recall the words of one of the songs being in the vein of: “Jesus will make this song a success” – You’re in luck! You don’t need mastering!!

In conclusion, in the time I have been posting here I have made some good friends, met a load of good people, and have hopefully helped some here and there. The latter is the key reason why I like doing it, the friendships are valued bonus. Rest assured that this type of nonsense doesn’t make me bitter. What I care about is my rep within the industry, which is based on three decades of work, as well as doing right by my friends.
I think it was a mistake to make the offer on the forum, I should have addressed it privately to those homewreckers I’ve had regular communications with over time. However, It won’t stop me doing things for good people in the future. Those who need and are genuine know where and how to contact me.

I wish all those who made derogatory remarks years of very good health, and those of you who took it upon them to defend me, the same good health and you've got a warm place in my hearth.
 
sjoko2,

I guess it was a mistake that you made the offer here....hopefully, it wont keep you from making offers in the future......hope youre feeling better and glad to see this BS thread isnt getting to you.....ok, now that im finished kissing your ass........

mixmkr,

I think your problem came when you viewed this as a "business deal"...this was a FAVOR offered by sjoko2 to his homereccer buds...nothin more, nothin less.....a chance for us bottom feeders to get a professional master, and a chance for him to test his facilities......
 
Gidge said:
sjoko2,

mixmkr,

I think your problem came when you viewed this as a "business deal"...this was a FAVOR offered by sjoko2 to his homereccer buds...nothin more, nothin less.....a chance for us bottom feeders to get a professional master, and a chance for him to test his facilities......

Kick him while he's down eh?.... Sjokos post was very human and pretty much put all of us skeptics in our place.... I and a few others were debating the ethics of this situation, but (at least I) meant know direct harm to SJOKO, and even comented that there was good possibility that SJOKO was innocent....

Even though, we (at least I ) are a bit red faced now for questioning the situation.....

SJOKO did a good job of putting Mixmakr in his place... IM sure mixmakr is also a bit red faced right now...

But then theres always one fucking guy who has to stomp on the ashes and say "Yeah!" after the real guy puts him in his place...

I want to have you over... And When I beat up my asshole neighbour, and he is lying in pain on the ground in a harmless paralized condition..... You can give him last last face stomp...... Hmmmmm ?

Yeah it's the easy way of acting / feeling superior :)

BG...

(By the way, the neighbour thing was an analogy... I love my neighbours...)
 
Die thread die...

I think it is time to let this thread fizzle and fade to the bottom of this forum...

Queue
 
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