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Thanx Mark7 - would that lovely Tascam come at an affordable price? It looks amazing. Is it literally all-in-one - does it all - nothing else needed??? Off to seek out Google!!!!
 
I bought mine for £200 a few years ago.

The only problem is they don't turn up for sale in the UK (you sure as hell wouldn't want to pay shipping from abroad on one :eek: ) too often.
 
kagemusha said:
Thanx Mark7 - would that lovely Tascam come at an affordable price? It looks amazing. Is it literally all-in-one - does it all - nothing else needed??? Off to seek out Google!!!!

Well, microphones would help ;)

And there are places to plug in outboard gear should you ever decide you need it.
 
Fusion2 said:
if that's the case i'd just go digital being you already have an analogue 4 track portable , Fostex MR8 8-Track Digital Recorder...

for close to the price of Mark7's suggestion you get 8 tracks...

http://www.zzounds.com/a--2676837/item--FOSMR8

Hey F2 this looks a good unit - reviews are good. Know anyone who's got/used one? The Smartmedia card is good cos I got my PC set up with a USB reader for digital pics already. Cards seems a bit small though

Been looking at R2R on eBay - Revox, Akai, Tandberg etc. Prices usually treble in last 30 mins
 
Fostex

Now got brochures of Fostex MR-8 and VF80 off the net.
Any views on which is actually better? Just off to the Tascam site.
 
kagemusha said:
Hey F2 this looks a good unit - reviews are good. Know anyone who's got/used one? The Smartmedia card is good cos I got my PC set up with a USB reader for digital pics already. Cards seems a bit small though

Been looking at R2R on eBay - Revox, Akai, Tandberg etc. Prices usually treble in last 30 mins

yeah, i've read this version has gotten even more user friendly which is only good imho ;) just track your riffs on tape and rec to digital, 123 easy, your guitar should sound much better imho, there's a number of good points to digital, direct rec can be harsh though, again, imho...

can't beat that price... cheers...
 
ok new case

ok so a new problem for you to help with, you see i want to be a singer and i can't, why??? no suport no money of my own, god i can give you a thaousand reasons!!!!
adn i can't play any instrument, so basicly i am scude, so HELP!!!!!
 
Kagemusha.

Here are two items which will give you 8 Track analogue for less than £300 (excluding shipping)

Tascam M-224 (you're planning a trip to Basle, right?)

Tascam Syncaset 238

There's also a 238 with a BIN price of £138, but it's in the US and I don't know whether or not those things have a Voltage Conversion switch.

Of course it's always better to collect these kinds of things yourself rather than leaving it to the tender mercies of UPS/Parcelforce/Whoever; and Reel, BF, Ghost, et al could spend many a happy hour regaling you with horror stories of badly packaged gear. But, alas, good semi-pro analogue gear is rarely to found for sale in this country :(
 
Will look at those in a min Mark

I did a worldwide search on eBay and there's several MR-8's ( even a new one) from USA but only paying through Western Union. Basle might be a better bet.

There was an MR-8 with a CD burner in US too $600+

Gotta sell that De Ville I reckon to get the dosh.

Off to look at the Tascams - are they part of TEAC?
 
No NO ebay/shipping horror stories Mark!!
(If Herm posts that pic of his damaged 38 again I'll cry.. I swear I will!)


Kagemusha,
For the time being, why not get a CD burner and some free software and use your 4 track? (Am I missing something?)
You can do some really decent stuff while you save a bit and read up. No need to rush into selling your Fender..., you're just gonna find you want/need one again.... I did...Twice! LOL



What's all this about Mary wanting to sing??
(Don't give up Mary, things have a way of working out.)


:)
 
Aha .....Billy ......... a new tack on my problem.

So can I buy a stand-along burner then? and how would I hook it up to the MT50 or a master cassette or reel to reel - yup I know NUTHIN about CD burners. Idea is attractive - I love the amp. Any other advice? Ideas?

For Mary - you need to just sing and sing and sing - anywhere you can - as often as you can and hope that someone hears you and likes what they hear. There's no 'right' or 'wrong' way to become a singer - in any country. Most people that do try never 'make it' but.... you might be the exception. If you LOVE singing then sing...whatever. Good luck.
 
Well, you CAN buy a stand alone as maybe you'd like to have one to go along with whatever else you get in the future (regardless of what it is).
I'm by no means a computer expert, but maybe you can clean up some serious space on your PC and get an internal burner (pretty cheap) and some free demo software (that has a few plugins even) and then transfer your MT50's mixdown to just two tracks of soundcard and re-mix it in the software then burn it from there. (A drawback is that with limited hard drive space you wouldn't be able to store a whole CD worth of tunes (Unless you converted them to mp3) while you record others. (Maybe post about your computer size/space in a seperate thread and see what people think)

As far as how stand alone burners are connected...
I ASSUME (Cus I actually don't know to be honest) that they connect vis RCA cables.

It's a really hard call to make...
Deciding between analog or digital is very personal and ultimatly a choice best left up to you, but whatever you do, try to keep your amp you know?


Sorry
:)
 
hey kagemusha !

Your research on the machinery, whichever way you choose to go, is extremely important..... continue researching. But don't spin your wheels too much on all this without checking this site below too.

http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm


It has a good top-to-bottom explanation of everything. I don't think the guy who runs the site is a quack, but the more experienced guys here may be able to shed some light on that.

I wish I had found it when I started
 
thanx

thanx guys i realy appreciate the suport and hope all your problems are resolved. ok anyway if you have any more advice i'd like to hear about it ok?

mary...
 
First, Mary, start your own thread on the newbies forum instead of jumping into ongoing threads and trying to change the subject. The discussuin here is entry level recording equipment, particularly used analog equipment vs. a standalone digital recorder. These guys are trying to steer you in various directions without even an approximate budget. I would argue against analog recording in your situation for a wide variety of reasons. First, cassette generally sucks, because the tape is too narrow for stereo, let alone multi-tracking, and the tape speed is too low. So if you go analog, you're talking open reel. Tape is expensive, and offers limited post-production and editing options. It is also the wave of the past. The next generation of analog decks simply aren't being designed as we speak. The real cool open reel machines (Studer, 2" tape, 30"/second, etc.) are maintenance intensive and expensive as hell to operate. They are very cool for mixing down, and there are many reasons why analog equipment still has a valid place in the recording industry, but it is simply not a low budget option.
Standalones have many desireable features, but some wicked weak points as well. In general, they tend to come up short on preamp quality and analog-digital conversion. They don't really upgrade, but they are portable and comprehensive.
Computer recording offers the most performance per pound sterling or Euro or whatever, but are large, often noisy, involve a complex learning curve. It all depends on your budget and your intentions. You *can* get professional results from a standalone, but it requires a pretty high end standalone and a bunch of outboard gear to feed it. The machine that does it all probably doesn't do it all that well. Sure, you can plug guitars into most standalones, but you'll get better results putting a mic in front of an amp.
The point here is that no matter which way you go, in the end, making *good* recordings will involve a lot of work *and* a bunch of money. There is no magic bullet that's going to give you professional sound cheap. I'd say, if you're on a budget, buy a cheap standalone like the Fostex MR-8. If nothing else, it's a good learning tool and may be useful later as a remote recorder.
For more money, something with a hard drive and a CDR drive like BR1180CD is more useful. Get a cheap mic preamp, such as M Audio DMP-3 or Studio Projects VTB-1. Get a decent dynamic mic, if you don't already have one, say AKG D770 (cheaper than Shure in the UK), and an inexpensive condenser. In the US, it would be Studio Projects B-1 or Marshall MXL V67. In the UK, it might be Rode NT1-A or AKG C2000B (my choice for cheap and versatile). For the guitar, if you really need to go direct, consider a cheap modeler such as Behringer VAMPII.
In the beginning, you can use the preamps, A-D converter, and effects of the standalone, and add better outboard gear over time. Eventually, if you stick with it, you *will* wind up using a DAW and a computer. I use 2 standalones. One is a Roland VS1824CD, which is the main recorder, but I use outboard gear to bypass its pres, and A-D conversion, and all effects are outboard. The other is KORG PXR4 Pandora, a palm top 4-tracker which I love. No one takes it seriously because it is so small, but that's why I love it. And I have made really good recordings with it using a couple of cheap Russian condensers and a DMP3. I wish you the best of luck.-Richie
 
Great replies from Alan and Richard. As I research I'm swinging this way and that - analogue v digital...open reel... pro quality cassette... DAT etc etc. But I'm learning a lot too - not least from you guys. Just got a Homre Recording manual (about 10 years old) and that too is useful - if a bit out of date.... lots on analogue and nothing on digital.

I really appreciate your help and links though - SO useful.

Mary - have you thought about furthering your own career by getting into a decent band - one that might 'go places'.

You'd get centre stage spots all the time and get the others to do all the setting up and buying of equipment etc - you just bring along a decent microphone, your look and your voice.

A lot of solo singers started in bands - off the top of my head.... Alison Moyet, Elkie Brooks, Annie Lennox, Sheryl Crow, Joan Osborne etc etc etc and then were head-hunted by the industry to go solo. Plus I can guarantee you'd learn a lot about music, the industry and life in general - I certainly did!!!

Go for it.
 
Great replies from Alan and Richard. As I research I'm swinging this way and that - analogue v digital...open reel... pro quality cassette... DAT etc etc. But I'm learning a lot too - not least from you guys. Just got a Homre Recording manual (about 10 years old) and that too is useful - if a bit out of date.... lots on analogue and nothing on digital.

I really appreciate your help and links though - SO useful.

Mary - have you thought about furthering your own career by getting into a decent band - one that might 'go places'.

You'd get centre stage spots all the time and get the others to do all the setting up and buying of equipment etc - you just bring along a decent microphone, your look and your voice.

A lot of solo singers started in bands - off the top of my head.... Alison Moyet, Elkie Brooks, Annie Lennox, Sheryl Crow, Joan Osborne etc etc etc and then were head-hunted by the industry to go solo. Plus I can guarantee you'd learn a lot about music, the industry and life in general - I certainly did!!!

Go for it.
 
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