Getting my wires crossed!

  • Thread starter Thread starter Dom Franco
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How neat is your studio wiring?

  • It's Black Spagetti

    Votes: 5 8.2%
  • It's mostly a tangled mess

    Votes: 12 19.7%
  • It's partly organized but still gets tangled

    Votes: 32 52.5%
  • It's labeled, no mess, no problems dude.

    Votes: 12 19.7%

  • Total voters
    61
Dom Franco

Dom Franco

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I seem to always have a tangled mess of wires hanging in back of my racks and work stations. Most of them are black and hard to tell apart.

Every once in a while I get the bug to untangle the mess and start all over clean. Then a new piece of gear comes in and an old one goes out. I play a live gig and have to "borrow" something from the rack.... Then it's a rat's nest again.

I spent all day yesterday behind the rack.
This time I labeled most of the cables, routed the power cords together in a nice bundle and wire tied things in place. 100% better, and I actually got a good night's sleep.

Tell us how you do it in your studio.
Any good ideas to share?

Dom Franco:rolleyes:
 
I think that the reason big cable messes come about are two-fold (1) the pain of "getting back there" behind the rack and straighten up and (2) the pain of putting away/ retrieving a cable. In a good professional studio I think it is much easier to do both these things-- the ones Iv been in have racks that are built to easily walk behind, and use special hanger racks for cables.

In my little home studio, I put my rack on castor wheels. It is not a particularly big rack (approx 4'high). I like to be able to swivel it around completely to rewire (thus the castors), so I don't necessarily need to "get behind it" at all. My DAW (Korg d1600) sits on top of the rack.

I also have a steel wire shelf unit I got from Bed Bath & Beyond (home supply store in NYC), on castor weels. It also swivels around freely. My Mac 7500, that I use mostly for sequencing, sits on one of it's shelves. So do some other pieces: a sequencer, a drum machine, etc. The rack and the shelf unit are situated next to one another so that they can 'cable-mate' freely, while happily swivelling to and fro. This allows me to constanly rewire with minimal hassles. I can get to the front or the back of all the units, computers, etc. just by rotation, sort of. I think that if I ever needed a bigger rack I might just get another short one, so that I could continue to swivel.

Im big into swivelling, in case you didn't get that. It helps when the space is limited.

I try to hang cables as much as possible. At least the ones I use most often. I hang them right off of the same shelf unit when I am done using them. I find this to be quick and easy. I don't have to get out of my chair. For me, putting them away in a box or drawer spells spagetti, unless I tie them, which takes time. I would rather not stop what I am doing, mid-session, to tie a cable. So, I loop the cable a few times loosely and hang it on the shelf. To hang, I have used several methods. Currently I am using small bungy-cord straps with hooks on each end (from the hardware store). These are hooked into the shelf unit in different spots, creating mini bungy-loops which I then use to hang audio cables from. As I said, I loosely coil the audio cable, unhook one of the bungy-loops, put the cable on it, and re-hook. I can hang several audio cables of the same type on of a single bungy-loop this way. Sometimes I skip the bungy-loop part entirely, go hog wild, and just hang a cable right off the shelf!! That way is the fastest but not quite as organized.

So, you see, I am big into hanging too, in case you didn't get that.

I keep less-frequently used cables in tied coils in stackable plastic milk crate boxes. I have several of these crates. They are strong and I like them, although they do make the place look a little like a 7-11 dairy section. As I said, in this crates the cables get coiled and tied. I use little rope ties. I usually use two ties on each coiled cable, on opposing sides so that there is no chance of spagetti once the cable is put in the crate.

By the way I am big into milk crates, in case you didn't get that either.

If I had more room, and my girlfriend wouldn't mind me putting pegboard on the wall to hang wires off of I probably would do that. We'll see. Pretty soon the room is going to look like a Radio Shack anyway, if it doesn't already.

I used to use a 1/4 " patch bay, but I have pretty much given up on that-- just so many different cable types. When I used to use it, I found myself obsessively labling. That doesn't seem to be as much of an issue now-a-days. Many of my cables are different colors, so that tends to help that way a bit too.

Best of luck.

-jk
 
Uncrossing my wires...

I just got back from Guitar center, where I purchased a bunch more patch cables and insert cables....

I hope to be able to leave everything plugged in, and not have to rewire for every vocal or instrumental overdub!

I have two patch bays, Two ADATS. a harddisc recorder, several compressors and eq units. six effects units, plus 2 CDR Audio recorders, cassette, minidisc etc. to all patch together.

Now I realize why I haven't been writing too many songs these days, I've been on my knees crouched behind the rack routing cables.

I have now dedicated some equipment to Live gigs only, and promised myself not to remove gear from the rack any more.

:eek:

Dom Franco
 
WELL KEPT

FOR THE MOST PART MY WIRES ARE COLOR CODED, AND I TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING ORGANIZED BUT IT'S FAR FROM PERFECT
 
Re: WELL KEPT

JUSTTIGHT said:
FOR THE MOST PART MY WIRES ARE COLOR CODED, AND I TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING ORGANIZED BUT IT'S FAR FROM PERFECT
color-coded? as in HOSA cable??? Yikes!!! ;)

:D :D
 
I HAVE INSTRUMENT TECH'S AT MY JOB THAT CAN MAKE JUST ABOUT ANY KIND OR COLOR CABLE YOU CAN THINK OF XLR,1/4 ETC.
 
labeled, cleanly routed, no probs. I try my best not to get so excited to use a new piece of gear that I don't install it sloppy. Thats hard for me to do but I just do it. Look around at electronic surplus stores for heatsink material with wide enough spaces between the fins for the wires you use and install at both sides in the back of your racks. They make great wire holders. Use one side for power and the other for signals. Keeps it clean.
 
I think that the reason big cable messes come about are two-fold (1) the pain of "getting back there" behind the rack and straighten up and (2) the pain of putting away/ retrieving a cable. In a good professional studio I think it is much easier to do both these things-- the ones Iv been in have racks that are built to easily walk behind, and use special hanger racks for cables.


In every studio I have owned, was either in a basement, or a bedroom, or in the case of my last apartment, spread across several rooms up and downstairs (hey, it was a small apartment). What has always killed me with cabling is not labeling them, and not using wire ties. I make temporary patches that somehow become permanent. Then when I need to re-patch things quick on the fly, often that cable drops behind the gear where I can't reach it any longer, so it sits there for years to come. Anyway, with my new studio, since I'll be in this house for 30+ years, I'm making the effort to not execute these lazy habits anymore.

I found that many companies make velcro-based wire ties now that are reusable, and in bulk, they aren't terribly expensive. Ortronics comes to mind. Anyway, for labeling cables, I got sick of buying official, expensive labels and finally I purchased a "Brother" label maker for under $175. Its typically used for labeling patch panels, but one can put "A1I A1I A1I A1I", press print, then take the little label and wrap it around the cable's plug. Then, I wrap that in scotch tape. Now that cable is permanently "Adat-channel 1 In". Sounds like more work, but I have to tell ya, it will really be a life saver if any of the cabling gets yanked, adjusted, moved, or cut. I use bulk snake cable as much as possible, especially long distances, where the inner shielded pairs are numbered on the insulation, making it easier to make a bay to bay snake. I got really lucky a few weeks ago and picked up a short spool of 500' of 24 balanced TRS Belkin cabling for a little under 2 bucks a foot. I have enough of this cable I will be using it for audio, rs422, midi etc.

around completely to rewire (thus the castors), so I don't necessarily need to "get behind it" at all. My DAW (Korg d1600) sits on top of the rack.

Thats fabulous. I'm embarrased to admit the several 4' high racks I have don't have casters, and I always grunt like a pig trying to move them (20U of adats is not light by any means). The new studio I'm building has a slanted ceiling that goes down to about 38" off the floor. I'll be building racks in front of that wall, for the equipment to reside in. To avoid figuring out how to move (7) 20U racks of midi gear away from the wall, I feel I was very clever. I simply removed the wall :) I left the studs of course but I can get into the attic through the bathroom next to my studio, crawl in, and move whatever cables I like. I even put in an 4' long single-tube flourescent light on the inside of the rafters so I can see back there. While climbing in the attic is a pain in the ass, once I'm done soldering I'll be in there quite infrequently due to all the patch bays I'm soldering in. At least I hope so :)

Im big into swivelling, in case you didn't get that. It helps when the space is limited.

I have found throughout my life, you New Yorkers have mastered the art of maximizing every in of space. Kudos!
 
UPDATE

Things are much better now....
I have cables routed neatly and most are labeled clearly.

I ended up using little black twist ties rather than tie wraps.
They are easy to remove and re-use, while regular tie wraps are permanent and must be cut off.

I have dedicated one effects unit to my live rig so I don't have to mess around with the rack stuff...

Now my greatest limitations are my talent and time.

Sincerely;

Dom Franco
 
Color coated and velcro.

I bought a big roll of high quality double sided velcro from a industrial supply company. I cut it in to different lengths and use it all the time to bind cords behind the rack. I also use it for storing cords to keep them seperate.

Live gigs are the worst for tangling stuff up.
Oh the piles of beer covered cords.!!
Got to love it.

Hey Dom Franco I'm about 20 miles from you I think.
Do you have anything posted to the web?

Freudian Slip
www.mp3.com/freudian_slip1
 
sjoko2 said:
I use green wire:rolleyes:

Why not purple? :D

Anyway, I recently purchased snake cable with 48 TRS individually numbered/shielded pairs with an outside shielding over the whole thing.

its purple.

Had to be stylish, even though its going under the hardwood floor.

Once I heal from surgury, I can continue assembly of the control room. Most of the pieces have arrived and are stacked around the house annoying my g/f.

-Fred
 
:) I've just ordered 500 feet of quad microphone cable - in green.
The multicore to the tracking roms and control rooms is blue.
The digital cable is purple.
Who the hell wants boring black cable?
 
sjoko2 said:
:) I've just ordered 500 feet of quad microphone cable - in green.
The multicore to the tracking roms and control rooms is blue.
The digital cable is purple.
Who the hell wants boring black cable?

I will do quad cable for the vocal booth - four XLR's worth, once I figure out the trick to wiring starquad between XLR and TRS patch bays.

I chose purple because it was 10 cents a foot cheaper.

Hey, its in the floor, who cares what color it is? LOL
 
To be honest, save your money on that one. No good putting quad in cabling to patchbays etc, which should be interference free or have a grounded plate. Keep it for mic cable.

I've been using colored cable for some years, it works, it seems to stay here. The black stuff walked.
 
sjoko2 said:
To be honest, save your money on that one. No good putting quad in cabling to patchbays etc, which should be interference free or have a grounded plate. Keep it for mic cable.

I've been using colored cable for some years, it works, it seems to stay here. The black stuff walked.


Well, its going to be mic cable, it connects the vocal booth to the patch bay, then the patch bay to the XLR inputs on the mixer. THe purpose of inserting the bay in between allows for the 4 mic inputs to be used as line inputs, or maybe insert the Vocal Prism should I need to.
 
sjoko2 said:
cool :) which quad are you getting?


Canaire or belden, haven't decided yet. I'll have to make that decision about two weeks after I'm off the couch for good.
 
have a look at Gepco, I found them to be the best at the moment, and very cost effective
 
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