Getting higher levels on proyects

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I have finished some nice songs in protools. I´ve mixed and mastering them always keeping the levels just before the peak on the master fader. I`ve bounce and burn them on a CD. They sound good but not as loud as a profesional cd or as the radio.
Any advices ?
 
Yea, send your stuff to a professional mastering engineer instead of trying to do it yourself.
 
chessrock said:
Yea, send your stuff to a professional mastering engineer instead of trying to do it yourself.

What do ME's do to get those levels up?
 
EddieRay said:
What do ME's do to get those levels up?


Voodoo magic.


And they use all kinds of funky rackmount devices with blinky/flashy lights and big knobs. And computers.
 
chessrock said:
Voodoo magic.


And they use all kinds of funky rackmount devices with blinky/flashy lights and big knobs. And computers.

If you don't know, it's okay to say so.
 
When you say you're getting the levels to just before the peaks - do you mean you got the peaks in the music just about to 0 Db? Because to get the mix really loud you've got to consider the average level not the peaks, and to get that up there like the others have said you're going to want to do some limiting or compression. Get your hands on some decent limiter plugins or a mastering package of some kind.

Some good free ones>>>>

http://www.digitalfishphones.com/

(check out blockfish and endorphin)

http://www.betabugsaudio.com/plugs.php

(check out the W1 limiter)
 
EddieRay said:
If you don't know, it's okay to say so.


I know some of the basic approaches, the process in general, and some of their techniques. But to say I "know what ME's do" would be like saying I know how chefs make their dishes taste good. Well, each one does it a little differently than the next guy ... I know they use ovens, frying pans, pots, etc. and they generally work in a kitchen.

But honestly, a blanket question like "how do cooks get their food to taste good?" is just kind of an ignorant question. And it shows a complete lack of appreciation (respect?) for their art ... and their years of developing and honing skills to assume that someone could post the answer to that question in a few paragraphs on a message board.

But if you must know, it's generally a combination of EQ, compression, multiband compression and parallel compression. Sometimes they work with harmonics and overall dynamics sculpting. It's kind of like an art. And I know they generally do it in a critical, fine-tuned, controlled listening environment using monitoring equipment and room structures that are designed to present the sounds in a highly accurate, linear fashion with minimal coloration from the environment or equipment.

... Something Joe home recorder doesn't have access to in his basement / garage / bedroom setup, by the way. :D
 
i think the rule is consumer gear peaks at around -6 and professional gear peaks at +2 (i could be off on those numbers though).. anyways, suffice it to say that with professional mastering gear you can push the levels higher before going into clipping/distortion.
 
If you don't have $$$ for a M.E.

I think us 'mere mortals' would use a "gain" algorhythm in our DAW to raise the level to an appropriate output...

I know I'm asking for a flame here, But - In a lot of my projects that need to be done NOW and not fooled around with - I "master" just like you do, rodrigo21...

Using Logic Pro 7 - I mix everything down passing my final mix through a (my own perception) tweaked 'finalizer' device, and a number of pluggins (Ie: I tweak it over and over until it sounds nice - Like I like it) running everything into a stereo track... I normally record in 24bit/48k Resolution...

That stereo track is exported into a stereo program...
From this point, I boost the gain on the track to " 142% "...
This gets the level up to the level that I need to get the output correct...
The file is translated to 16bit/44.1k then saved as the client needs - Ie: Mp3, AIFF, whatever...

Judging by your question I'd say that (I'm being presumptious) perhaps you have as much money as 'the rest of us' (Thus the term "HOME Recording . Com)... As people here have said, there is no substitute for these guys that really know what they're doing... They study the craft and know their equipment... It really is a "special" craft (And darn fun to fool with yourself!)...

But if you're experimenting with your own material gather all the things you own that could help you shape the "final product" of your mix and try different programs or pluggins until you get the effect you want - If it's something too serious to fool with - Send it to a M.E.

Hope this helps...
Good Luck...
 
Ahhhhh, so the key is to boost it 142%. The secret of mastering is out. :D


It has to do with average peak levels (making more peaks hitting at or near zero), it has to do with cutting out mud and harshness, and increasing both clarity and power, it has to do with being in an environment where you can clearly hear what you are doing to the audio and what needs to be done. And some voodoo probably.
But as people have stated since the beginning of audio mastering in 1835, there is no set formula that works every time.
 
Heheh!

Yeah that's the "secret ingredient" Didn't you know??!!

Actually there's MUCH more to it than I stated in my repsonse...
It just seems that for the radio projects I do, Logic provides a very uniform output... When I drop it into that other program, That's the Number I always use in the algorhythm...

Still, In my recordings even that boost doesn't put it up to 'full expected CD output' ... But, as others have stated here, by the time I get my audio to that level it SMASHES it so bad that all the dynamics are toast...

On the other hand if the output is only going to go through some 4" boom box speakers, does it make that much difference? Some of the radio stations I work with DEMAND that I send them an MP3 over email anyway... They don't even like Standard AIFF files... (Go Figure!)...

The Scenario is different with my "In house" projects though... The audio is treated much more carefully...
 
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