general mac vs pc question

[shutupandshave]

is maybe a 2.4Ghz 800FSB P4

Yeah I guess so, or about 3.06 running at 533, not much between those two.
Anyway, I should have been more specific sorry art, and thanks for kind of correcting me Polaris.

VanAmp, I agree with Polaris - if you're having any trouble running a 3ghz machine with any software, there's something wrong.

 

[VanAmp]

Like I said, having used both (a 1.25Ghz G4 and 2500+ AMD running PTLE and Photoshop CS as the guinea pigs) I highly doubt a G4 can beat much more than a 2.4 P4.

Try running Photoshop, Illustrator and PageMaker and switching between them. Thats how me and all my coworkers work and thats why we all have macs.

but its not at all about speed to me its about the OS if I could get OS X on a custom built PC I would in a second.

Vanamp, That thread you posted is kinda disturbing, makes me a little fearful of getting a mac now, but you said it doesn't happen often, and i hope you're right.

Yes it is, the apple monitor cost about $400 more then any other LCD and it only has a 1 year warrenty vs. 3 to 5 years on most LCDS. Here is a tip just in case. A lot of credit cards have warrenty extension plans. I bought my LCD with my visa and it doubled the warrenty to 2 years so when it stoped working 3 months out of apples warrenty my credit card company paid for the repair.

 

[DAFFYDRUNK]

Didn't have time to read all the posts snce I wanted to posts as quickly as possible.
Sony Vaios are CRAP!
Advanced? More like they hype obsolete tech. Check out the video card. It will probably be a "state of the art" Radeon 9200.
They also partition their hard disks out for some idiotic reason. Just overpriced junk. Not everything Sony makes is good and their computers are a prime example.
I wouldn't buy anyhting at best buy for a DAW, and I'd skip the mac too. Build your own or have a local place make a purpose built one for you. $1700 will get you ALOT of computer.

 

[elevate]

1.25Ghz G4 is maybe a 2.4Ghz 800FSB P4.

I'd say that's a stretch as well, especially in anything that's memory intensive - the 133Mhz bus on the G4 is going to starve the processor, while the P4 would be readily fed. I'd say a dual 1Ghz G4 is probably more in line with a 2.4Ghz 800FSB P4.

Try running Photoshop, Illustrator and PageMaker and switching between them.

Yeah, try running some apps that require lots of memory bandwidth and you'll see how the G4 lags behind. Here's some PS7Bench scores for you:

Dual 1Ghz G4 - 240.7
Athlon MP1800 - 153.5
Athlon XP1600+ - 225.7
P4 2.34Ghz (OC) - 197.9
Xeon 2Ghz - 238.0
P4 2.4Ghz - 199.2

Seeing as how a single 2.4Ghz does significantly better than a dual 1Ghz, I don't see a single 1.25Ghz G4 is going to match the P4...unless you live in bizzaro world.

 

[VanAmp]

Are you talking about video games? if so yeah ghz do matter when gaming......but for graphic/web design macs are the best and for recording they are pretty good.

 

[elevate]

but for graphic/web design macs are the best

Can you qualify that statement?

 

[brzilian]

Are you talking about video games? if so yeah ghz do matter when gaming......but for graphic/web design macs are the best and for recording they are pretty good.

You're funny!

 

[VanAmp]

As a graphic designer I think I am qualified to say that.

Edit: I guess I could see the argument against macs for designing web sites because 99% of web pages are viewed on PC's.

 

[brzilian]

As a graphic designer I think I am qualified to say that.

Edit: I guess I could see the argument against macs for designing web sites because 99% of web pages are viewed on PC's.

I have pleanty of Graphic Designer friends myself having a degree in Industrial Design and I can truly say you're full of it when saying a Mac is better for design work than a PC.

 

[VanAmp]

you have a degree in industrial design? or your friends

 

[distortedrumble]

ooh ooh I'll jump in on this one...I work for a newspaper as one of the designers for pages and the website. to my experience, both do ok but we upgraded from the mac g4s to some dells that seem to run the macs over. i dont know the actual specs of the dells. but now we're able to create and transfer graphics and page designs through the network with ease. it took longer with the macs since things had to be transfered between pcs and macs.

 

[VanAmp]

I agree that networks of PC's and Macs are death

 

[VanAmp]

artCROSS:

how about this (I want to make sure the PC vs. Mac thing won't go any further)

Check out some Big recording studios online (check out your favorite album and see where it was recorded) Find a what computers they use. Same thing for graphics, find some graphic artists that you like find out what computers they use.

my opinion: buy a mac or build a PC

oh and also check out the Apple store for education all of my coworkers bought from there and got about $300 off no one if ever check to see if you are actually a student.

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/EducationIndividualCustom?qprm=80693&type=higherEd

 

[ds21]

At the College I work at we have Mac Labs and PC labs, and according to our IT people they pretty much have the same amount of problems.

You can make/record great music with either, the advantage I see with the PC is, not only the fact that (if you build your own, which is easy) they are Cheaper to buy in the first place, but they are cheaper to keep up-to-date, my last update was about a year ago, and I got a new MB, AMD 2400 OC to 2700, Memory. This was a much needed upgrade from my old 1mzh pentium, total cost of upgrade...under $300, with the price's of the chips I'm thinking about getting a AMD 3000@$137 (my MB and mem will support it).

So with that $300 education savings, I basically got a new computer!

 

[elevate]

As a graphic designer I think I am qualified to say that.

I used to be, so I think I'm qualified in asking you to qualify why you think Macs are superior for graphics work.

 

[shutupandshave]

Macs used to be better for Graphic design/audio+visual editing.

They are not anymore, things have leveled out.

 

[Polaris20]

Try running Photoshop, Illustrator and PageMaker and switching between them. Thats how me and all my coworkers work and thats why we all have macs.

but its not at all about speed to me its about the OS if I could get OS X on a custom built PC I would in a second.

I just said I ran Photoshop on both. Like I said, the G4 doesn't cut it.

 

[VanAmp]

yeah but what graphic designer only uses one program at a time?

Look at it this way (speaking of the OS)

Microsoft spends all their time and money making sure their OS is on every computer in every office. They never really look in Our direction and don't care if anyone is using their computers for recording.

Apple when not thinking about those god damn iPods they then turn their attention to people like us. Apple owns programs like Logic and Final Cut Pro!!!

Its nice to see a company trying to support people like you and me. Now we just need to show them some support and mabye they will the create the computer we are all waiting for.........and put it in some stupid ass metalized sea sheel industrial type case

 

[lpdeluxe]

I do graphics on a PC and send my stuff to persons (of both sexes) who then print my work from Macs (tshirts, posters, programs, etc). They think I'm nuts, but they like my work.

So buy one of each, run the same programs on 'em for a year, and report back to us.

 

[elevate]

yeah but what graphic designer only uses one program at a time?

What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to suggest that, while Photoshop on a G4 doesn't run very fast, Illustrator is a speed demon? If so, let me get in a preemptive, "you're wrong."

Its nice to see a company trying to support people like you and me. Now we just need to show them some support and mabye they will the create the computer we are all waiting for...

Wow. I'm not sure what's in the kool-aid, but you need to stop drinking it.