FULL CIRCLE Version 34567?

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Hi Folks,
Sorry!!!!
Technical glitches with my sound card & a disappearing plugin. I think I've solved them now.
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4326936&q=hi
Up for comment is about version 6 1/2 having taken all recent suggestions into the melting pot - reduced vox a little, clarified vox a little, added snare post sax solo. I've though about the OTHER version & have made small updates to it as well & will eventually post an A - B of the pair. In the interim & in keeping with the point of this forum here is the latest.
The ride cymbal is a little flangy - that showed up post MP3 compression & I figured it would be pointless trying to re mix to eliminate an MP3 artifact so you'll ahve to accept it knowing it isn't there in the wave file. The snarer came out a little louder post MP3'ing too.
NEVERTHELESS please comment on it as it appears/ahhears in your player.
 
This is by far the cleanest version...sounding really good. I know that lower bitrate mp3's really seem washy on cymbals, so I get used to it... :D
How far do you have that cymbal panned? I only hear it on the right. Don't know if it would sound better going a little more centered...not all the way center, but shift it some to the left? Everything else seems panned pretty well....so take it for what it is, my thought.

Other than that, vox seem to sound really good now, and the instruments are represented well.

Nice one man.
 
Much better. I can hear all the lyrics now, very clearly. I like the drum part in this tune. Seems like the drum machine suits the song. It's a nice clean, clear, crisp mix.

One thing: At about the 4:10 mark, seems like the vocals cut out for a second. I don't know if it's deliberate, but it almost sounds like a mistake.

Besdies that, this tune has come a long way mix-wise. Good stuff.
 
Mix is nice and clean.
I would suggest re recording the vocals as they sound roomy.
Try recording with a duvet up behind the mic so that the reflections are minimised.
Nice guitar tone. I would use a little more compression on the vocals.

Good stuff.
Eck
 
Hey Rayc,

Like the mix very much. The sax solo is also more clear now.

The offtime rhythm and drum behind the sax seem to have been fixed in this version. :)

Snare suggestions: It sounds really cool. One suggestion is that in the verse after the sax solo, instead of going boom snare boom snare, only hit the snare on the 4th count like boom boom boom snare. And when you hit the chorus, add another hit on the 2nd count like boom snare boom snare. :)

Around 4:05 the vox do seem to drop off.

Good mix. What I like about the chorus is that I find myself later on going bom bom bo-bom bom, is it better to live and get your spirit from a bottle....
 
This is a very good mix.....
The vocals are nice and clear now, and they are even throughout. Nice levelling job there. They sit nicely in the mix too. Terry's has a very good voice and this mix brings it out nicely.
The guitar is no longer in the same "space" as the vocals, but it's stll easy to enjoy that cool sound and driving rhythm.
Bass is nice and clear/defined and just the right amount of bottom end.
The sound on the cymbals is ok for me, MP3's do take away some hi-fi.
The snare after the solo is a cool addition - brings a new feel to the song.
Every instrument seems to occupy it's own space so clarity is top shelf.
I'll look for your alternate mix on the previous version when it comes up.

This is a really good version of a really good song.....

:) :D :) :D
 
ido1957,
Thank you sir. It does seem that each element has its spot this time around. Ta. _ Listened to the Hamilton Steele Band Pre CD last night - I really enjoy the changes from the fuzz ZZtopish boogie to that fast strummin' driving music. Such concise pieces of writing too.
bigbubba,
Thanks mate. I'll play around with the snare - it was a hell of a battle getting it down - lots of s/card probs at the time, easily resolved once I had a clue but until then hair tearing. Terry stepped away from the mic for some obscure reason & left a gap - no lyrics missing as he played catch up. I like to suggest it is a pregnant pause to craete expectation but that's just sophistry isn't it?
ecktronic,
I'll dry off the vocal a bit - though it only has a smidgen of reverb. The room sound is in all of these recordings - the front room at my old place. terry would love to re record everything he's paranoid about his performance. Thanks for the kind comments.
RAMI,
Moit, de snare woz such a hassle.Yeah the vocal cavity was a Terryism as mentioned above. Thankd\s for the kind words & detailed observations. Your disc of Oz rock is DUN!. 50+ LPs of ORSTRYLEEAN electricity guitars & stuff. Will pop it in the post Wednesday. Oh, it includes a remix of PATCH with LOUDER DRUMS.
Dogman,
The ride or crash cymbal? I'll have a listen & move it somewhat. I had been using the cymbals to create a sense of stereo sep. but am quite happy with a fairly close image. Thanks for the postive vibes.
 
Just for fun I would throw a verb on the whole mix. Just to see what it sounds like. You've worked into a really good clean mix! I find it a hair on the bright side on my system but, very much in balance. Thats what made me think of a little small to mediaum verb on the whole mix.

I personally do not find the vocals too wet at all. I like them. The first line sounds a bit muddier or effected for some reason but, not badly.

Great job!

F.S.
 
Listening on headphones at work. Love that guitar line. Vocals and guitars right off sound really good to me. They sit real well in the mix. The tambourine that comes in sounds nice and crisp (not harsh). Cool saxaphone solo/break, sounds kinda airy on these headphones (which i like). I'll try to listen from home tonight when i don't have to use these sily headphones

Take care

gary
 
The newer version is not my cup 'o tea.....but then gary says it's ok so I'll just give you my take on it....perhaps it's just my earbuds....

Too much mids/bottom on the vocals.

Maybe too much reverb on the vocals too. Of that I'm not sure though. It may be just the tone that's giving me that feeling.

The vocals continue to sit perfect in the mix but have a bit of muddiness to them. They have a nice thickness, I can hear (and I like) that but feel they need to cut through a bit more.

I preferred when they had more highs - that bright tone that cut through the mix was better for me.

Other than that this mix is good - I can hear the cymbal on the right pulled in a tad and it sits nicely there. It cuts off a bit on the end :confused:

:) :D :) :D

PS - We still have the three versions to compare later, so I'll wait for that too.....
 
You're getting there Ray. Sounds good.

The vocal still sounds kind of resonant in the lower mids. Might be a tracking thing that's hard to fix with EQ without thinning it too much... room sound maybe. Do you have a multiband compressor? If so, I'd see what it sounded like on the vocal to control the dynamic range of the 350-500 Hz area.

Tim
 
Did you do a verb across the stereo main catching everything?

The vocals sound good to me. There might be the slightest little thing around 250-500hz or so. I personally find it to fit the style. I played it loud and quiet there is only one place in the vocals that seemed too muddy/honky to get away with to me. That part is right at the begining, the first line or two. I mentioned that before. Maybe those are a different take or something.

Anyway. I am listening to it at medium volume now and I think the the vocals have a destinct sound and are still very understandable and I think it lends something to the song. So is it too much? That's all personal oppinion.
No one understood a thing Kurt Cobain was saying but nirvana did pretty good. I think that had alot to do with a sound and a style. Don't take that wrong. I can understand pretty much everything in the voc's.

Just my 2 cents. Don't mix your self to death Ray.
I think you have a pretty clean mix that is capturing some of the feel that was on the original tracks you posted.

Best bet is always to make your self happy with the mix;) Otherwise it's like my dad said about certain things. "It's like wiping your ass with a hoop, never ending"
Don't wipe your ass with a hoop :D :D :D

Bad mental picture;)


F.S.
 
Ok - listening again on my PC speakers this time. The vocals sound much better on them. The thick mids are less apparent, less pronounced. I can see why this mix has its appeal - its a done deal on my PC speakers....truly. I can hear everything - including the bass quite well. But my PC speakers are not the best (especially bottom end) so that must be taken into consideration.

There is one spot - right at the beginning - as said by Freud - that is very muddy. But it clears up after the first few words.

Now - there must be some middle ground (pardon the pun) that will make this sound good on both systems....

It's so close.....what do you think?

:) :D :) :D
 
ido1957 said:
Ok - listening again on my PC speakers this time. The vocals sound much better on them. The thick mids are less apparent, less pronounced. I can see why this mix has its appeal - its a done deal on my PC speakers....truly. I can hear everything - including the bass quite well. But my PC speakers are not the best (especially bottom end) so that must be taken into consideration.

There is one spot - right at the beginning - as said by Freud - that is very muddy. But it clears up after the first few words.

Now - there must be some middle ground (pardon the pun) that will make this sound good on both systems....

It's so close.....what do you think?


I will have to burn this mix to cd and put it in my truck;) The truck tells no lies.....

Go ahead and start with the "you know your a redneck" jokes :D But it really seems to be a great referrance.

I personaly think you need to find a way to fix the first couple lines. If you eq the whole mix then you are compromising no matter what.

Knowing your software.. this is what I would try.
I would cutt the vocal track/tracks after the problem goes away and put them into thier own tracks. then I would screw with the begining until it matched up with the later parts pretty good. That way you are free to do whatever you want to the begining lines with out touching the later parts. and you don't have to commit. I think with a little eq in the 700hz to 125hz range you will have it licked. I don't think it will take much either -1 to -3 db max.

Just my take.


Stay away from the hoop.

F.S.
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http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4326936&q=hi
Hi folks,
Above is the link to the slight tweak as suggested by Timothy, Freudian Slip & Ido1857 for the opening few words.
I used both Tim's & Freud's EQ reccos as well as removing some bottom end from the vox as suggested by Gerry. I'd used chorussing on the vocals to thicken them & with the absolutely tiny bit of reverb, (I mean only 0.3 sec) on them as well it seems it became too much so I've completely dried them of verb & reduced the chorus a little.
I also did the cut & paste in a similar way to the method suggested by Freud. Thanks Pro Audio 9.? man!
If this gets close to passing muster I'll do the A - B - C comparison in a few days.
gbav,
I thank you for your generous comments. I've done the last few tweaks with h'phones as the missus isn't well so I've attempted to be QUIET!
 
The first litmus test on my PC Speakers this morning revealed a good sound on your latest mix. Everything still seems to be sitting ok and vocals are nice and clear. That "effected sound" on the vocals at the beginning seems to have gone away also.

Second litmus test will be my earbuds or headphones, which I will listen on later today. Will post this afternoon/evening...

:) :D :) :D
 
Interesting tune. Psychedilia with a bossa nova feel. Very clean, and the sax is appropriate to the song. I like how the sax feels so dry. Most people would just drown it. Good job :) .

-Casey
 
ido1957 said:
The first litmus test on my PC Speakers this morning revealed a good sound on your latest mix. Everything still seems to be sitting ok and vocals are nice and clear. That "effected sound" on the vocals at the beginning seems to have gone away also.

Second litmus test will be my earbuds or headphones, which I will listen on later today. Will post this afternoon/evening...

:) :D :) :D
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Second listen tonight on headphones.....

A+ for excellence overall - although this morning's good results on the PC speakers had me expecting more of the same quality in the headphones.

Hold on to this mix - it's one of, if not the best, of the lot.

I will still do the ABC compare but this one is very good.

Your many efforts have paid good dividends here......

:D :) :D :)
 
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