FUCK FUCK FUCK IM CONFUSED

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ive been reading about amp simulator stuff multi effcts etc etc blah blah blah. and i am really confused, i have narrowed my choice down to the pod or the boss vf-1. some people say the boss is better some the pod.
i guess they are good at different things

what i want to know is which is better for like kinda metal style, lots of distortion type thing.

im guna be using it recording direct into me PC or running it though a PA for live use.

thank you thank you please help me knoledgable people i am lost and confused.
I got about £250 - £350 to spend about $380- $500 ( i think that convesion is about right)
 
If it's for recording, I'd go with POD. Just my opinion though.

Regards,
PAPicker
 
The way it sounds to me a rather large DILDO
should work just fine.

RussP
 
i wouldnt suggest running any distorted sound direct live or recording. Thats pretty much never done in the industry EXCEPT every blue moon for an effect or for an industrial techno metal type sound. Most amp simulators are for clean sounds or a tad bit of overdrive. Lots of distortion direct sounds really horrible.

If you cant afford an amp you might be pleased to know alot of the fat distortion stacked sounds on records come from small amps. Im talking those little brownsville or pignose tubeamps that have like an 8 inch speaker. They overdrive and get that cranked sound at a much more tolerable level without as much risk of damage and the sound is easier to control since its not so overwhelming and wont fill up the whole room.

If you learn to mic it right you can take that money and spend it on a small tube amp and a shure 57 for about the same as your gonna spend on some multi fx units.

I think these guys are suggesting boxes that soiund good to them through an amp.

Thats just an idea but if your serious like me about tone and a good sound you might wanna look into it.

Its gauranteed to give you at least as good a sound as those boxes would and much more if you know what to do and experiment.
 
What is the priority, Live or Recording? For live I couldn't imagine using the POD although some do I guess. No matter what multiFX box you pick, using it live is gonna be tricky, especially if you plan on using it without any type of guitar amp.

If your main intention is to record some decent guitar sounds into your computer - get a pod. If your looking for something that can do both, there's no such thing. A good amp, miced properly, tweeked properly will give superior sounds to any emulator. But, the pod is a real time saver.

Do you have to record direct? If so, then you need something other than an amp. But if your playing live - there is no alternative to having a guitar amp.
 
dan - i believe that it is true that they never use distortian direct in the industry. BUT i am not in the industry and i am not trying to emulate what the industry does, i just want a nice enough distortian to use for my crappy demo tapes (well CD's). As time passes the ability of amp simlulations and digital distortian will improve and eventually take over traditional tube amps and distortians, i am happy to wait for that as i am only young.

Emeric- my priority i guess is recording but i will be performing live in the months/years to come so i would like it to be okay-ish at that too, ive listened to some pod and boss mp3's of varying quality and i find the pod sounds smoother but has far to much bass, this might just be that particular ones i have heard. The boss also does many other effects which would be very useful, including vocal effects replacing the need for a seperate processor if you are recording track by track.

I recievrf this email from someone i asked athis same question, he seemed to be quite sure, and convinced me, i sthink i will be getting the boss, the digital out is fantastic as i can use the supririor D/A converters in my card.

EMAIL FROM BLOKE
Hi there.

I compared both units side-by-side, and I chose the VF-1. The simulations are
more realistic, and it has a broader range of effects. It can also be mounted in
a rack--only the Pod Pro does that, and that unit costs a LOT more money.

If you do get the VF-1, make sure you get an expression pedal--it opens up a ton
of possibilities. A MIDI switcher is great, too. I use the Tech 21 MIDI mouse,
which is small and very simple.

For live applications, I figure out the sounds I need for the particular gig,
program them in a range (it's really nice having 200 presets) then I can just
stomp in the sound I need with the MIDI mouse.

Remember, this is an amp sim unit AND a multi-effects unit. Most of the factory
presets for guitar have amp sims selected. When you use this unit live and are
going into an amp, you do NOT want to be using amp simulation because a
simulation going into an amp sounds really bad none of these units (pod
included) are meant to be used like this. For live situations, use effects only.

For recording to your computer, the digital out jack is a blessing.

Have fun.

--Al

END OF EMAIL FROM BLOKE

how much do tube amps start at?
just for like a little basic one mainly for metal sound
oh and how much is the TS-9 tube overdrive/distortion, it seems to be a standard, im not sure of the make but im sure that'll prompt every one here, i am very new to tube amps and that stuff.

Thank you for reading my overly long message!





[This message has been edited by raindrops (edited 07-19-2000).]
 
"As time passes the ability of amp
simlulations and digital distortian will improve and eventually take over traditional tube amps and
distortians, i am happy to wait for that as i am only young."

This will NEVER happen! The only thing that will ever be able to completely sound like a hot tube is a hot tube.
Perhaps we will see more integration between digital and anolog but, the end of tubes....NO WAY!
 
I agree with RussP. Just get a large dildo, turn the amp to max, and beat the shit out of your guitar with the dildo.
 
oh yes, the end of tube amps is on its way, all the current tube amp fanatics will be dead. Computing power will be far greater than today and be able to recreate like any sound possible from a guitar. It will happen, it is beggining to happen, the pod is the first of its kind and has achieved great sound (so i am told) the future is digital effects wherether you like it or not cause they will sound better and be cheaper. I dont particulary welcome it cause i spose nothing can truely replace the tube amp, just the simulations will become identically sounding with out the hassle and considerablly cheaper and more convienient ( not having to wake up people if you want to play at night). IT WILL DEAD, IT IS ON ITS WAY, OH YES
 
I have a POD, Zoom, Boss, and many other digital devices that I use for certain things. On a cheap consumer level these toys are great. However, when someone tells me that these toys will replace my '69 Fender Deluxe with a TS 9 Tube screamer, I'm not buying it.
I've been gigging and jamming for 18 years and have played next to many a guitar player who ran his guitar through all that processed shit, and to this day it still sounds like processed shit.
I use the POD for recording because its easy and sounds decent enough for average recordings, but for the high quality stuff, I'm miking my amp.
I've tried using it live going right into the board and diddn't like it at all. You can forget about the organic feel you get with a tube amp, no feedback, that is, the harmonic richness that a tube amp provides is absent. Maybe someday someone will be able to make a little plastic toy that will give that to you, and everyone will be using it, that is, everyone but me.
 
Greetings and thanks to all those who,like I,still carry the torch,er,valve,I mean tube.Tubes rule!
 
Dude....

I am the proud owner of the VF-1. I have found it great for direct recording. There are alot of choices for amp types and so on, but i have yet to get it to sounds really good as a live unit. I bought a Marshall VRS100 combo amp last year cause i got it for a steal. Now i wish I would have held out for a tube amp.(next purchase) So far Ive found the best sound I get is using the distorion on the amp and the effects from the VF-1. This may change with some more tinkering. But a tube amp is still the best live setup. The Vf-1 sounds geat direct. I have also used the Vocal presets for vocal recording and they really sound good too. Its a great unit direct,plus the tuner is nice to have.

I am also looking for a FC-200 footswitch to got with it for live stuff

good luck
 
I've been using a mosvalve tube works power amp with real tube pre amp. It uses 12AX7 tubes. I've recently bought the POD though and I have to say, it is INCREDIBLE. In many ways better than the sound I was getting with my real amp. Admittedly I haven't recorded with it yet. Also the 12 AX7 tubes may not be the same sort that these guys seem to love. The more I play with the POD though the less I am tempted to set up my real amp (with mic)for a recording. I'm becoming less insecure about playing without all the tubes and speakers around me. Admittedly again, maybe these other guys have nicer amps than mine. But the POD for me has been a God-send. Its clean tones are real nice and its distorted ones are superb. You do have to sometimes play with the EQ controls a bit.A small tweak makes a huge difference.
 
Well raindrops, I trust all this clears your confusion... ;> )

The point being--it comes down to experimentation and seeing what works for YOU...
 
umm, well im less confused. ive decieded to go for the boss vf-1, against most of your opinoins around here. mainly cause
1. it is red
2. it is boss
3. it has digital out
4. it is red
5. it has other effects than amp simulations such as vocal effects and keyboard and wierd ones
6. it is red
those 6 reasons to me are good, it'll be here soon, i'll tell you how i like it when i get it if anybosy is intersted.

Thank you for your help guys (cause only guys can play with music toys!!!!)

bye

[This message has been edited by raindrops (edited 07-24-2000).]
 
cool wow fantastic great, somebody around here is in praise of the vf-1. shit i cant wait for mine to arrive, aaaaaargh too long, the pain in intense!!!!!!!!
 
If you just want a great metal sounding amp simulator to go direct with you can save some
money and buy a Tech 21 GT2...it simulates Mesa Boogie, Marshall, and Fender...also simulates mike placement in miking of cabinet...amazing tube sounds from a semiconductor device...about $180, new.
 
i looked at that got some samples and they sounded good to my untrained ear, but i want the extra effects of the boss, thanks anyway though, maybe if i have a bit of spair cash around ill get one, not very much around over here in england though i dont think.
 
There is no wrong or right way to make music. In fact there is no wrong or right way to do anything.

Music is art. Try evertything and see what makes you happy or sad or excited. Tubes will never die as long as I have something to do about it.

This can be compared to filmaking as well. Old ass 16mm cameras look so much warmer and emotional than any digital camera currently produced. But, digital is not bad. It has a character of it's own, it just hasn't been exploited yet. Things don't become interesting untill they go through a wall of fire.
 
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