Fruity loops into editable parts in Sonar

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Oops, sorry Paul881. Yes, I'm definitely jumping into this really quickly, trying to get it all up fast, and being very impatient.

I am 33, spent all my teenage and early 20s recording and playing, then life took over, university, crazy woman (never mind), and I got out of it. Now there I've found some balance, I want back in, at least for recordin, and that just can't happen fast enough for me:)
 
shawn gibson said:
What do you mean? What part? My ignorance or shopping around before I purchase?
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There's nothing wrong with Shopping around before you purchase, but that's what demo-versions are for...
 
I certainly agree...but how can I get a feel for something that's supposed to be the backbone of my whole endeavour if saving is disabled (as in the Sonar trial). If I knew what I was doing already, maybe that would be different, but I've got a lot of learning to do, including MIDI, computer recording, etc. so I've gone this route. For example, when I was shopping for an HTML editor, Macromedia back with DreamWeaver4 gave you a full version that exploded in 60 days or thereabouts...much more appealing than non-functional versions. (I bought GoLive 5 instead since I use Photoshop):) Cakewalk is definitely not losing money from me through kazaa; if anything, the fact that I've gotten a taste for their products only means I want the support, upgrades, and manual from a purchase...though after what Paul881 said:

Paul881 - is this the product you mean?
"cakewalk home studio xl 2002 $240 win - "light" sonar including looping tools, dxi support reduced software sequencers "

I want to be able to bounce guitars to layer them thick, but only ever recording one at a time...

moskus - your point is completely valid, and I agree if you think it's a stupid way, but I just want to say my intentions with Sonar and kazza have only been to try the product out, and I'm STILL in that process. For example, I'm not even going to demo FL Studio when it comes out, I've already learned enough and discovered I love the FL software, that I've already emailed them asking who is going to be selling and when, here in Canada (probably SavedByTechnology...). There is also another side here - my computer sucks a fat one right now, keeps crashing and it's driving me nuts. I can't WAIT to get the d/l I have off my system!

Shawn:)
 
You are making some good points, but piracy is still stealing...
 
I can't argue that, and the only defense I have is that I'm 'borrowing' only long enough to make my decisions on what to buy. - If you steal something for only a week and then go to the owner and pay him for it, ya, you still get your ass thrown in jail, I know. I better shut up, before I call the police on myself:S

What a pickle.

Is the Home Studio thing I pasted what Paul881 is talking about? It's available now, and I can add it to my Pod XT purchase and be done with it. The freakin learning curve is making me feel very, very old LOL.

Thanks moskus:)

Shawn
 
I think Paul881 was right when he stated "Start small and beginn building". If you find Sonar complex, there's no need to take the plunge for it. If you get HomeStudio, you get the manual. And even if I hate manuals, they are very good to explain the basics on "how to record right away" (aswell as the advanced stuff, of course).

:)
 
That's exactly what I need, a Dummy's Guide for the software I end up with if it's about MIDI recording. Funny how Fruity Loops made perfect sense to me, the basics, just with a few days of playing around, but reading and reading and reading about Sonar is just not sinking in.

Good advice from both of you:)

Shawn
 
And the Sonar Power! book by Paul Garrigus is brilliant! :)
 
Shawn, here it is:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/HomeStudio/default.asp

If you can afford the more expensive version, fine. If not, the $129 basic version is a good start. Thats all I have and before that I had Cakewalk 8.0 express, now long dead. Later this year I will upgrade to Sonar, but as of now, I haven't had the need. Strange you felt at home with Fruity Loops and not Sonar. For me. it was the other way round:) I think that say more about my lack of brain-power than it does yours.:D
 
Thanks Paul881:)

Guys, the www.flstudio.com site is totally confusing...is FL Studio Producer available as a stand alone currently? or only as an upgrade to some other product (which ones???) or not at all till April???
 
FL Studio is a new program, seperate to FL Pro. It incorporates audio recording.


FL
Sonar has a huge learning curve...the console is driving me bananas. I only want a mixer and audio/real guitar other than FL, maybe Sonar is overkill...
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You don't ever need to use the console view, click all underneath the track numbers on teh left of the screen and it will show you everything you need to monitor levels, change track parameters etc.

As you know, I have used HS2002, with FXpansion to load up FL as a VST. I can then record straight to HS2002. Even easier, is to use session drummer in Sonar/HS2002 (midi track> FX>Session Drummer - read the help file;) ) And even easier is to import a wav file sample of drums that you might find on the web.:)
Another way is to use Piano Roll view to make your own drum patterns. You can use soundfonts or a Dxi instrument like VSC (See help file>recording DXi instruments). There are many ways to do this, you need to get a bit further along in your learning curve before you can fully appreciate just how to do all of this.

OTOH, If you just want a simple tracking program to play along with on your guitar, I would probably just choose the new FL Studio product.
 
So, FL Pro (not Studio) and HS 2002 is the ticket for me, and just plain learn it no matter how hard, right?

As for drums, I am a closet Neil Peart wannabe (he he...) so I love doing my own thing with them...I've played with the session drummer, but I try to get it myself:) Another reason for FL - it's great for bass and drums (in the old days, I'd have gone to tape with these FL bedtracks through a mixer, and added real miked guitars...)

I have been using the piano view to write the tracks (I can read music *fairly well*, so that and the 'score' view are pretty intuitive for me), and now (even better) that I have a keyboard, I've been cleaning up notes with it so there's more-human sounding stuff (I wish I could pitch bend more than one tone moskus:()

OK I'm home, wanna play...see you guys in a while:)
Shawn
 
Shawn, no, sorry for any confusion, its the new FL Studio you want that has the integrated audio sequencer that will cope with your guitar/vocals. Check it out, I am sure they do a non-savable demo to d/load. And you won't be able to get a crack version yet cos its only just been released:eek:

That is as an alternative to FL Pro working with HS2002. It depends on your budget and your aspirations.

As ever, you pay yer money and takes yer pick:)
 
FL (or FL Studio) + HS are definitely in my budget (Big jump to FL and Sonar:().

I'm mostly concerned with having enough to do what I need (and somehow, I don't think FL Studio alone is gonna cut it for big Metallica layered guitars? - and moskus' envelop for live changes while mastering...though that's way down the road), but not getting so much that I'm overwhelmed (like, uh, that's already happened LOL).

I've come to the conclusion that I am being completely impatient.

I've already d/l'ed this Sonar monster, why not spend some time with it, get the Power Sonar book, spend a couple of weeks with it (till it totally fries my computer), then go buy the HS 2002 XL + it's manual and CW support, cuz I'm sure it will be fairly similar to what I've learned in Sonar.

You guys have given me great advice, so it's time for me to just do the hard part - sit down, be patient, and LEARN.

Thanks VERY VERY much!
Shawn:)

moskus - if I grab the pitch bender REAL HARD, will it go an octave?
 
shawn gibson said:
moskus - if I grab the pitch bender REAL HARD, will it go an octave?
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Yes, but only if you twist it (like you would twist a knob) at the same time... It might be hard to do, but just use force! :D
 
I'm mostly concerned with having enough to do what I need (and somehow, I don't think FL Studio alone is gonna cut it for big Metallica layered guitars?
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No, I don't think so either:D

Sounds like FL + HS2002 would be a great start. Welcome to the never ending upgrade club:D
 
He he!!

Well I'm definitely having fun now!

I sat down last night and tried to get FL into Sonar and actually write some bedtracks. I got the first part of a song down (just mucking around)...bass and drums.

My boss is gonna kill me cuz I only got an hour of sleep.

I don't wanna post this to a different thread cuz it's just a way of saying thanks to you 2, and I'm using that 'borrowed' software. You know what I mean, I'm not going to advertise until I can do it legitamitely, a couple of paycheques from now.

Anyways, I tried to do everything I'll be doing, minus the guitar (which I gotta get on Friday...but no POD yet:(). So it's stereo drums, stereo bass, the effects (I love flanger and more verb and a little little pan on hi-hats cuz they always sound so gross...non-real ones I mean).

Have a listen if you like, and thanks for all your help...it's only the beginnings of a song, but it's my first start in a decade, so I'm really happy.

Thanks guys!

It's here (hope I ftp'ed it OK):


Shawn:)

ps I couldn't figure out the mp3 export in Sonar...got the count in and some dumb stuff and the tracks weren't all there...so I used the FL mp3 thingie.
 
The MP3 export in Sonar is just a demo. You need to buy it, or you can update if you own the PA9. :)
 
Oh:(

Actually, what I've been thinking is...Tascam has a hardware mp3/4 track device, and if I buy that, I can simply go stereo out from a soundcard and it will sound exactly like it does to my ears, right? And from there, I can copy directly to cd/tape/file format of choice with exactly the sound I'm envisioning.

I'm still in analog brain:( I want a 'hard copy'.

Is DAT still valid? Do different mp3 recorders have different encoding/variables not in my control? I think mixing is as important as writing, so I don't want someone's algorythms deciding what my stuff is going to sound like.

But that's down the road too:( I still don't have my freakin guitar.

Just remembered the blisters. I'm gonna get them again. Yucki.
 
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