from NTFS to FAT32 (two questions)

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My big question is how can I take a blank 80 audio disk (meaning it does not hold my OS) and change the format from NTFS to Fat32? The disk is blank, nothing on it, but it is formatted NTFS. I have another disk running XP Pro (20GB)

Second question (and not as important) is it still common perception that running FAT32 is superior for audio applications?
 
When you say blank 80 audio disk, you mean a 80GB hard drive? I assume it is some kind of hard drive, run your OS disk and there should be an option to format your drive in either NTFS or Fat32 file system. If you are running windows XP NTFS is better than Fat32.
 
Yes it is a hard drive.

No you cannot run your OS disk... The XP Pro disk only lets you format the drive that you are installing your OS to.

Regarding NTFS vs. FAT32, I ask the question because for some time it has been thought that FAT32 is better for handling large files, like big audio or graphics files and NTFS is better for small files.
 
I can't imagine why you would want to run FAT32 instead of NTFS.
 
jdier said:
Yes it is a hard drive.

No you cannot run your OS disk... The XP Pro disk only lets you format the drive that you are installing your OS to.

Regarding NTFS vs. FAT32, I ask the question because for some time it has been thought that FAT32 is better for handling large files, like big audio or graphics files and NTFS is better for small files.
You may not be able to format it dirctly from the WinXp CD, but you should be able to install it as a secondary drive in your computer and format it from Windows that way.
 
Open my computer, right click on the hard drive, and go to format.
But unless you are dual booting with 98 or something, I dont know why you would want to go with fat32. Hope that works for you.

-Chris
 
Thanks for all of the replies. Unfortunately windows XP does not allow you to format a drive FAT32 once it has been formatted NTFS, so I am looking for a way to do it either from a dos prompt or from another type of boot disk utility.

On the questions about why I would want FAT32, I really do not know. That was my second question.

At one point in time FAT32 was preferred for large files (audio, video, CAD...) while NTFS was preferred for secure applications with small data sets (like databases.)

My system has been running FAT32 and things have run fairly well and I am coming up to a session where I want everything to run smoothly so I want to stay with what I know works.

I am not opposed to NTFS, just not in mood for change until I get this session to disk.
 
do a google search for the ultimate boot disk. It contains many Hard disk utilities for partitions and formatting. You can burn it to a cd and use it to format your hard drive to fat32. Its free too.
 
the protools manual recommends formatting to fat32 when using a dedicated audio drive in win xp.
 
fenix said:
the protools manual recommends formatting to fat32 when using a dedicated audio drive in win xp.

Great. I use Sonar, but I have to imagine that the same logic would apply.

I appreciate the input.

Jim
 
jdier said:
Thanks for all of the replies. Unfortunately windows XP does not allow you to format a drive FAT32 once it has been formatted NTFS, so I am looking for a way to do it either from a dos prompt or from another type of boot disk utility.


You need to use Disk Manager to remove all ntfs volumes and partitions, then redo your partitions, and format as fat32. You'll have to do this from the command shell (dos prompt). XP will let you do it, but it will NOT make it simple or easy for you to do. Be prapared to jump through hoops.

I had to do the same thing with my audio drive when I decided to check out Ardour under linux. Fat32 is the only format that's writable from both OSes.
 
gtar02 said:
do a google search for the ultimate boot disk. It contains many Hard disk utilities for partitions and formatting. You can burn it to a cd and use it to format your hard drive to fat32. Its free too.

Great Tool. Downloading now. Looks like I will have to wipe the drive completely then reformat.

Thank You.
 
Having done this a few times, here's the poop.

Moonrider is mostly right. You can use Windows XP Disk Management (inside Control Panel / Administrative tools) to remove the partition info. However, Windows XP will not allow you to create a FAT32 partition larger than 32 gigs. Note that it will work fine with larger partition, it just wont let you create them. This is a built-in limitation of XP designed to "encourage" you to use NTFS. Why? Because NTFS is less likely to crash, or become corrupted - especially on very large drives.

I have also heard it alleged that FAT32 is supposed to have a slight performance advantage over NTFS, especially if you format the drive with large clusters. But I seriously doubt that the performance advantage would be significant enough to make a real-world difference.

However if you still have your heart set on FAT32, here’s how to do it. First find a Windows 98 system someplace. Make a startup disk, or make a bootable floppy and copy the FORMAT, FDISK, and SYS commands onto the floppy. Then boot your current computer up from the floppy. Now if you just do a DIR you will not see your drives, because a Win98 boot floppy cant read NTFS formatted drives. But run the FDISK command and then you should see your drives – it will show them as being formatted with a “OTHER” file system. First delete the current partition. Then create a new partition. Then reboot the PC with the same floppy and format the drive.

I would recommend that, as a precaution, you disconnect your other hard drives temporarily while doing all of the above. That way you cant accidentally format the wrong drive. If you do disconnect the other drives, be mindful of your jumper settings - you may have to temporarily re-jumper your drive to “single drive”.

By doing this technique I was able to format a 120 gig FAT32 drive that worked fine as a data drive in a XP computer. I just recently replaced that drive with a 250, and this time I formatted as NTFS.
 
Here's the kind of performance difference you get bewteen FAT32 and NTFS. These are measurements taken from the drive speed tool that is built into Nero.

Drive c (FAT32-9 GB) - 89mb/s
Drive d (FAT32-54 GB) - 94 MB/s
Drive e (FAT32 - 54 GB) - 96 MB/s (I guess the speed goes up as you reach the outer sections of the platter)
Drive f (NTFS - 54 GB) - 75 mb/s
Drive g (NTFS - 54 GB) - 84 mb/s

Not a very thorough benchmark, but decent enough to see the difference between NTFS and FAT. These are all readings taken off a 240 GB SATA RAID array. For my single 80 GB PATA drive, the readings are 46 Mb/s and 49 MB/s for the two NTFS partitions.

As you can see, NTFS is plenty fast if you have good hard drives. I still need FAT32 for some legacy applications (Games!!!) so I have to have two or three partitions on FAT32. Always. Plus I lost a lot of files to encryption so I'm wary of NTFS for rally, really important data. The issue is that if there is encrypted data and you happen to crash and burn, it becomes difficult to decrypt any data that was encrypted by you earlier after a fresh install - even if your profile name is the same. A CD-R is good backup media, if you can keep it safe enough.

However, the simplest way to get a FAT32 partition is to use a 98 boot disk or an image of the same (there are thousands available) to first Fdisk the disk and then format it as NTFS. the last version of fdisk read 80 GB drives as 37 GB drives, so it was all a little funky, but it works OK and it fdisked my 240 GB array just fine. As far as I know that is the only way to get a FAT32 partition using WinXP.

Rwhite's instructions above are much more detailed, so I won't get into it.
 
Partition Magic will do what you want.

NTFS is far more stable than FAT32, especially after a system crash. I've seen a Win2000/FAT32 system collapse, and wipe out numerous system files.

When you want to go from FAT32 back to NTFS, use the built in command: CONVERT C: /FS:NTFS

It will prompt you to enter the C: volume label, so have that handy. The system will reboot, and convert the FAT32 system to NTFS. Works well.

The place for a FAT32 partition in Win2k/XP is for creating GHOST image files. Unless you have NTFSDOS4 (a $475 value), you don't have a means of using a Ghost boot diskette to write to NTFS volumes. A 5~8gb FAT32 partition in an other-wise NTFS system is a perfect destination for a Ghost image.

Ghost is DOS based, and needs to see FAT12, FAT16, or FAT32 type volumes. I use the Win95 rescue disk for my DOS boot diskette, as it works better with the Novell Client for DOS, than does the Win98 boot disk. I Ghost my client machines to my Novell server prior to rebuilding them. Ghost + Novell is an ideal match for this purpose.
 
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