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You have been contacted by _______ (any Artist name here) A&R dept ot team.. they want to use one of your track..But they want you to give it to them for free...

What would you do... ( and realize you are a no name BM/C/P right now..


this is a nice topic to see what people would do if approached with this type of deal..
 
Is There A Way To Get Some Serious Publicity Out Of It? Beat For Free But I Get To Be In Teh Video ? Or Get Significant Shout Out Credits On The Song Nad Credit On The Cd Cover/jacket
 
I know with me..I would do it as long as i get credit and publishing...

i will not do it if they tryin to get all rights and have the option to give you credit for the track..

credit and publishing is a must..hell the track might blow up..and that major money in my pocket...upfront money (dont ask for more then $6,000 if your a unknown-(JMO)) is always nice but when your not known..you gotta get in somewhere...so once you in then you can start Taxin' them..:D
 
Id say sure...

They can have it for free, but with conditions like
1. I want 10 points on your album, no if ands or buts
2. I want to fully produce the track with the artist and i want full production/writers/arrangment credit
3. Last but not least i want a contract stating all the terms and conditions that were stated above that day, no give me some time i want the lawyer there wen were both there
 
gullyjewelz said:
Is There A Way To Get Some Serious Publicity Out Of It? Beat For Free But I Get To Be In Teh Video ? Or Get Significant Shout Out Credits On The Song Nad Credit On The Cd Cover/jacket


everything can be work out in a agreement/contract...
 
Knowing me, I'm the type that I wouldn't send anything out for free. The only negotiation there is, is money. Regardless, they have to some where, document where the instrumental came from in the first place. For 2, if they went out of their way to contact you (a no name), then your not just a no name, you have something they want, and they are most likely going to go after it. Of course, the first thing for them to do is bargin with you, get it for free if they can. If not, they'll end up giving you a price, and you either agree to it or not. From my own personal experience, that worked best for me. Spike TV & Speed TV both called me up one day, to ask to use one of my beats, for free of course, and I declined, even if they were to roll it in the credits so to speak. I asked a price of $3000 for each, and you know what they said? They started backing off like they wern't interested. In my mind, they wanted something or they wouldn't take the time of day to call right? So I hung up with them. 2 weeks later, I receive the call back of course, and there it was $3000 minimum for executive rights for 2 years. That's $6000 dollars I blew on a new car, new DAW, and equipment lol. It might be different depending on artist too.

There's also other ways to approach it. For one, IF YOU DO GIVE A FREE BEAT for instance.... SIGN A CONTRACT ASKING this... You get 1 free beat, but have to purchase 3 (for example) beats for X amount of productions in the future. That can guarantee you that you'll get some money down the future whenever they make a documentary on dinosaurs or something.

If you play it right though, any way will work. If you continue to give free beats out to big names, they start looking at you different. Thats the guy to go to if you want free bomb ass beats... That'll lower down your prices you can throw to them in the future. That can ruin your rep in the industry.

OR, you can make a list of free beats, like say 20 out of your 2000 beats, and tell the representative that these are the offered free beats, then let them listen to your best ones in the other 1980 beats you have, and tell them these are up for purchases though. Give them samples of ones you can picture on with that (you wouldn't show them a krunk beat on a drama show would you?).
 
it is something you have to think about real seriously...i havent had any calls but i know i would really think about it if its getting my foot in the door to lead to more business...but its just funny how everyone in the damn world always want free stuff...and dont want to compensate you on the backend..

good post Mindset
 
If they are signed and or major artist, I'd have to be compensated without question. There's no reason why they can't purchase the beat with a record label backing them. If it was just an average joe who wasn't signed and wasn't releasing a commercial album I would most likely just give it to them for free.


rnb259 said:
1. I want 10 points on your album, no if ands or buts

That's a ridiculous amount, I'd feel sorry for the artist who agrees...lol
 
Mental - we talkin Major artist..


there is alot of A&R and team for Artist that go a listen to peoples work for the artist and see if they can get the tracks from your for free..and this is what we talkin about..

and i agree with you on RnB post 10 points..he want really get anyone to agree to that nowhere in the industry...6 points at the most maybe...
 
Mindset said:
Knowing me, I'm the type that I wouldn't send anything out for free. The only negotiation there is, is money. Regardless, they have to some where, document where the instrumental came from in the first place. For 2, if they went out of their way to contact you (a no name), then your not just a no name, you have something they want, and they are most likely going to go after it. Of course, the first thing for them to do is bargin with you, get it for free if they can. If not, they'll end up giving you a price, and you either agree to it or not. From my own personal experience, that worked best for me. Spike TV & Speed TV both called me up one day, to ask to use one of my beats, for free of course, and I declined, even if they were to roll it in the credits so to speak. I asked a price of $3000 for each, and you know what they said? They started backing off like they wern't interested. In my mind, they wanted something or they wouldn't take the time of day to call right? So I hung up with them. 2 weeks later, I receive the call back of course, and there it was $3000 minimum for executive rights for 2 years. That's $6000 dollars I blew on a new car, new DAW, and equipment lol. It might be different depending on artist too.

There's also other ways to approach it. For one, IF YOU DO GIVE A FREE BEAT for instance.... SIGN A CONTRACT ASKING this... You get 1 free beat, but have to purchase 3 (for example) beats for X amount of productions in the future. That can guarantee you that you'll get some money down the future whenever they make a documentary on dinosaurs or something.

If you play it right though, any way will work. If you continue to give free beats out to big names, they start looking at you different. Thats the guy to go to if you want free bomb ass beats... That'll lower down your prices you can throw to them in the future. That can ruin your rep in the industry.

OR, you can make a list of free beats, like say 20 out of your 2000 beats, and tell the representative that these are the offered free beats, then let them listen to your best ones in the other 1980 beats you have, and tell them these are up for purchases though. Give them samples of ones you can picture on with that (you wouldn't show them a krunk beat on a drama show would you?).

Got a few question for ya.

1.How did they hear your music?
2.How was the contract situation worked out?(u had a ent lawyer?)
3.How can i get my stuff on a TV show or somethin?
 
Got a few question for ya.

1.How did they hear your music?
2.How was the contract situation worked out?(u had a ent lawyer?)
3.How can i get my stuff on a TV show or somethin?

Well I have a friend who's an ent. lawyer (friend of the family that is) who knows a lot of people & has major connections. So he helped me out a lot in getting in contact with the 'right' people. After that, I usually send a project to them for them to view. Usually it's as great and as professional as possible. The whole 9 yards basically. This is for you going out to them....

Join ASCAP or BMI is one step. Her'es an article on the ASCAP site... This is for them going to you and you sit back and do nothing..... not real effective unless your a big name.
http://www.ascap.com/playback/2002/december/songsfilmtv.html

Of course it's somewhat out of date a little...

Anyways. The following represents some of the basic items with a little more... It'll give you a little more understanding though.. (for things like executive rights or non-executive rights, not leasing)

1. basic Project Information: The title of the film, plus the names of the director, the stars appearing in the film, the identity of the distributing film company and the projected release date are mentioned. This may apply to to the artist in a different perspective. The project information also can have the title of the work provided by the artist and so forth.

2. Cooperation: The writer-artist agrees to cooperate with the reasonable requests and instructions of the film company. In most cases, the writer-artist agrees to make any changes reasonably requested to not only the composition but the master recording as well until a satisfactory composition and recording is delivered to the film company.

3. Record Company Waiver: The writer-artist acknowledges the right of his or her current record company to the exclusive recording services of the artist and agrees to cause the record company to grant a written waiver of the exclusivity provisions to allow the film company to hire the writer-artist to record the composition for use in the film and soundtrack album.

4. Publishing Company Waiver: If the writer-artist is signed exclusively to a music publisher or recording label, the writer-artist will also secure a waiver from the music publisher or recording label to allow the writing of the composition for the film project. This waiver is vital since most film companies demand all or a portion of the copyright in the newly created composition and this transfer of rights would not be possible if a writer is signed to an exclusive music publishing contract under which all compositions written are owned by the publisher.

5. Work-For-Hire: The writer-artist will agree that the newly written composition is a work-for-hire and that the copyright (or a portion thereof) is assigned to the film company. The film company will also secure the right to utilize the composition in the motion picture and in advertisements, trailers and other promotions as well as to distribute the film on video.

6. Co-Ownership: Many successful writer-artists are able to retain 50% of the copyright in the music publishing rights with the film company securing the other 50%. The writer-artists who are not as successful are usually not able to retain any portion of the copyrights. If this is the case, the agreement will specify the ownership percentages of the new composition. Even though it is not the norm, certain very successful writer-artists are able to retain 100% of the copyright and publishing rights. Remember this is for Co-Ownership of a music that has been created for a specific composition (Film, TV etc). Usually the write-artists are able to retain 100% of the copyright if the music was created at an earlier date not for the film or tv composition.

7. Fees: When a film company is dealing with a very successful writer-artist, the fees will be substantial. In many cases, there is a so called all-in lump sum recording fund which covers not only the creative fee for writing the composition and for being the recording artist and producer of the composition but also all the costs of recording the master (studio, tape, engineers, musicians, vocalists, equipment rentals and mixing costs). When this all-in fee approach is used, there is also usually a negotiated sum designated as the creative fee for composing the composition (for example, $60,000 of the $200,000 recording fund being the songwriter fee). This however was a composition pre-created with the film company's interest in it in the future. Since I did not have to re-create the music composition, the sum of $3,000 was accepted. There are many variations as to how the monies are paid but the norm is pay a portion on the signing of the agreement with the writer-artist with the remainder being paid when the composition and master recording have been accepted by the film company. On occasion, a portion of the recording fund is treated as an advance against future recording artist royalties (in which this is my case) but this is negotiable since the monies paid to the writer-artist for production of the master recording are usually not recoupable from royalties.
 
bknot1 said:
Mental - we talkin Major artist..


there is alot of A&R and team for Artist that go a listen to peoples work for the artist and see if they can get the tracks from your for free..and this is what we talkin about..

and i agree with you on RnB post 10 points..he want really get anyone to agree to that nowhere in the industry...6 points at the most maybe...


Major Artist...
I would definitely not do a free track. If they like the beat enough they'll pay but if not it also confirms that the beat is acceptable to a major artist. If it's a definite radio single, I can deal without up front money and like you BK I'd be happy eating off publishing and getting the credit.

IMO free in any business is bad business for the most part (unless it's something addictive i.e. cigarettes, narcotics, caffine etc...) especially in hip-hop, a multibillion dollar industry. The money's there, but being unknown works against you if they feel like they can bully you.
 
Well, I know I don't just give something for FREE. FREE to me means someone never has to do anything and you don't get anything. And stuff in life really aint free if you think about it. Even if it's promotion it's good.

Think about it. Ever see an ad at a store that says FREE this or that? Or a web ad that says "you won a FREE TV"? Well, it's not really free. Companies get information and expand the list of people to send stuff to. Information is a big business. But, it doesn't cost YOU anything really and the company gets paid at the end.

If I got an email like that, I ask for more info. Research the lable and ask for publishing on the back end. If it aint a big project with no big $ attached, I'd go into my promotion folder and pick some beats and work out a plan to get promotion on their site or what ever.

It's like here on this forum. We help eachother. Give feedback and input and someone will give the same or hook you up. I look at both parties getting something out of a deal. I'm all about a win/ win situation. But, too bad this industry is dog eat dog...

"You have been contacted by _______ (any Artist name here) A&R dept ot team.. they want to use one of your track..But they want you to give it to them for free..."

If someone ask a beat for free, I would just email them and say go to my site and download free demos or something. At least they get something. But, asking something for FREE. Wow... I mean really. Say, I didn't have money, I'd at least try to work something out for that other person. Even if it's grinding it out and refering people or something... ;)

Check out this. I had someone email me which said, "Used your beats for mixtape". I thought OK cool, someone is contacting me about the beats. But, the person said they used 3 beats and performed them and was asking me to feature on the mixtape for FREE. So, they get free beats and a feature? Then I went to the Myspace site and they used exclusive beats! So, I called the person and he said they went on my site and RIPED the tracks cause he can't download it. My fault cause I didn't put tags on the tracks. So I asked what kind of project was it and how he wanted to pay. He goes, "Naw, just telling you I'm using the beats". (So you're telling me you are stealing from me to my face?) Now that was crazy cause that's like going to MTV and saying you RIPED a video of the site cause you couldn't download it and you are using it for your project anyway to make money. A big lesson... :p It would have been different if the person said they didn't have a lot of money but still wanted to find a way to compensate.

So, this was a big lesson. Tag your beats. Copyright and publish... Also, put some kind of terms on your site...
 
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good post Wax... i feel you you saying...

but you have to look at it as some no name producers look at it..its a way in...


damn thats messed up..you need to hit him over ther head..LOL and send him a ceast and desist letter... cause you know he will be makin money off your beat..
 
Damn he didn't know there was a reason he couldn't download it? Wow. That'd piss me off, but atleast if the mixtape or whatever starts to generate some $$$ you can pursue your $$$.
 
bknot1 said:
good post Wax... i feel you you saying...

but you have to look at it as some no name producers look at it..its a way in...

Ya, that's true. When you're starting out you need to take every opportunity you can.
 
mentalattica said:
Damn he didn't know there was a reason he couldn't download it? Wow. That'd piss me off, but atleast if the mixtape or whatever starts to generate some $$$ you can pursue your $$$.

I was gonna take legal action. But, that would have took all my time. And I want to see what will happen anyway...
 
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