"following Light"

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Listening to the streamer version.
LOUD.
Plenty happening at the centre and the edges of the stereo image.
Bass is tight.
No fizz
Cymbals seemed OK
Some of the emphasis bits push the high end - doesn't get shrill but comes a little close.
There were a few occasions when I'd have liked more happening between centre and side.
Terriffic performance,
Cool song.
Works in headphones for me.
 
I'd say the vocals are too bright, but it does actually suit the style, I'm listening on headphones not monitors though and it sounds good. p.s what is your theory?
 
Just got a new set of skull candy buds yesterday... sounds great here.
Very cool song
Excellent mix
 
Very nice well balanced mix. Vocals really sit in this mix well. I rarely hear a mix with the vocals that far back, where you can still make out all the words.
Excellent playing, great tune, really enjoyed that!
 
rayc

appreciate the comments,
so this was a denser, fatter mix than most of my others... lots of acoustic and electric blend, but still heavy...

seems like i'm getting a fairly consistent comment about sibilence or just high end, in the headphones, that did not translate into the speakers.
interesting.

that's what i'm looking for, some commonalities, that i can focus on mix wise....
between the center and side
stereo widening:
there is no trickery (plugins) on the mix approach, just a lot of LCR, and some reverbs and delays that are opposite panned, to give that width.
that technique is pretty straightfoward, and typical, but it's very telling that it does not translate as well in the headphones.
some techniques just don't work for both, part of my task with re-focusing on headphone mixing now....

i guess the human brain is just too smart for that.
it can figure it out (placement and depth perception).
i think it's fascinating.
 
btyre-

thanks for listening!
the vox, starting out, yes, i brought out a bit more of the high end (4-8k) for clarity....
works for the speakers, but not as much for the headphone mix.

i like the listener to really have to dig into the entire mix, i mix it for the vox to blend and work as an instrument, NOT to stand out on top like a standard top 40 mix, where the vocal is really the only thing going on....
comes from listening to a lot of classic rock mixes, the AOR stuff, not the hits......!

my theory:
the way you process and mix the low end, and the most high end, makes or breaks a headphone mix.
the common frequency for everyone, is the mids, of course, that's where most people hear the most information...
but to get the heaphone mixes to be as good as the speaker mixes, is tricky, and requres a more modern (for me) approach.


i'm looking for some commonalities with headphone listening, that i can focus on mix wise....for my mixes to work better in the headphones, and not screw up the good translation thru the monitors and homes stereos.

i'm thinking more folks listen on headphones or earbuds these days, than did when i was younger and just getting into music....
it's the devices, that drive that decision....


i like the listener to really have to dig into my entire mix, on vocal songs, i mix it for the vox to blend and work as an instrument, NOT to stand out on top like a standard top 40 mix, where the vocal is really the only thing going on....and the music is just a backing track......
comes from listening to a lot of classic rock mixes, the AOR stuff, not the hits......!
anyway, that's just my approach to production, it's what i like.

it is very hard to get a good mix to translate mixing with only headphones, i've rarely ever heard a good mix from someone using only headphones to mix....
but i DO use headphones to do spot checks, and to do critical editing..... and i love listening to music with my earbuds in general, because it's the only way i can crank it up to a volume i like, that doesn't bug everybody else around me, and it's the only way i can hear EVERYTHING in a mix, when i'm not in the studio.


and i find usually, that a good mix thru the monitors, will almost always translate into a good sounding headphone mix.

but here's the rub, if you want POWER in the low end, like you say, then there is an entirely different area of EQ and compression that you have to concentrate your work on....

and to NOT ruin the speaker mix, by adding that power, that is the trick.

and believe me, there are HUGE DIFFERENCES in quality of headphones and earbuds.
and usually, it's in the ability to have that power, and smooth high end as well.

headphones and especially ear buds, are tricky beasts..... and it's even harder to get a common concencus amongst different earphone users as it is folks listening thru monitors at 85 dB.
 
GONZO-X said:
btyre-

thanks for listening!
the vox, starting out, yes, i brought out a bit more of the high end (4-8k) for clarity....
works for the speakers, but not as much for the headphone mix.

i like the listener to really have to dig into the entire mix, i mix it for the vox to blend and work as an instrument, NOT to stand out on top like a standard top 40 mix, where the vocal is really the only thing going on....
comes from listening to a lot of classic rock mixes, the AOR stuff, not the hits......!

my theory:
the way you process and mix the low end, and the most high end, makes or breaks a headphone mix.
the common frequency for everyone, is the mids, of course, that's where most people hear the most information...
but to get the heaphone mixes to be as good as the speaker mixes, is tricky, and requres a more modern (for me) approach.


i'm looking for some commonalities with headphone listening, that i can focus on mix wise....for my mixes to work better in the headphones, and not screw up the good translation thru the monitors and homes stereos.

i'm thinking more folks listen on headphones or earbuds these days, than did when i was younger and just getting into music....
it's the devices, that drive that decision....


i like the listener to really have to dig into my entire mix, on vocal songs, i mix it for the vox to blend and work as an instrument, NOT to stand out on top like a standard top 40 mix, where the vocal is really the only thing going on....and the music is just a backing track......
comes from listening to a lot of classic rock mixes, the AOR stuff, not the hits......!
anyway, that's just my approach to production, it's what i like.

it is very hard to get a good mix to translate mixing with only headphones, i've rarely ever heard a good mix from someone using only headphones to mix....
but i DO use headphones to do spot checks, and to do critical editing..... and i love listening to music with my earbuds in general, because it's the only way i can crank it up to a volume i like, that doesn't bug everybody else around me, and it's the only way i can hear EVERYTHING in a mix, when i'm not in the studio.


and i find usually, that a good mix thru the monitors, will almost always translate into a good sounding headphone mix.

but here's the rub, if you want POWER in the low end, like you say, then there is an entirely different area of EQ and compression that you have to concentrate your work on....

and to NOT ruin the speaker mix, by adding that power, that is the trick.

and believe me, there are HUGE DIFFERENCES in quality of headphones and earbuds.
and usually, it's in the ability to have that power, and smooth high end as well.

headphones and especially ear buds, are tricky beasts..... and it's even harder to get a common concencus amongst different earphone users as it is folks listening thru monitors at 85 dB.
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agree 100%, it's always tough to please everyone though when mixing though, possibly THE hardest thing is getting everyone happy.

On my Neumann monitors I personally find 85dB SPL WAY too loud, there's two ends of the spectrum, people who use a decent sounding room with very accurate speakers, then there's the people listening on creative speakers that cost £40 with noisy soundcards and lots of ambient noise. I think more and more people though are listening on i-pod headphones, or if you are as old as me gameboy headphones :D

I.... like you also mix vocals in a similar way, I don't like them too loud in the mix, it can easily ruin a lot of mixes.
 
I like it. I agree it sounds a little harsh or just short of it on ipod headphones. Tried it on the old ones and the new ones. Sounded fine on my "mixing" headphones.

You might be in luck though, the trend with young people these days is going back to large headphones like the beats by dre or the 1000000 knock offs. So you can re-learn all this again since those are all very bass heavy.
 
cakewalkgg
cool, congrats on the new buds...
how do you like them on your favorite recordings?
i swear, every single earbud i've tried, has had a different personality (frequency sweet spots)....
glad you dig it, thanks for commenting


pdp
appreciate the listen, you know, the vox IS back, but you can still hear it clearly.
sometimes i think folks are just used to radio-ready song formats where the vocal is the only reason for the song....
but then again, i dig old stones mixes where you can't even make out what they're saying!
LOL
or maybe, that was just the drugs..... :facepalm:
 
I've not listened on headphones because I can't appreciate stereo mixes very well having only one working ear but the mix sounds great to me on my setup. Excellent playing, capture as usual.

Really enjoyed the tune. Especially the acoustic breakdown in the middle. Top stuff :thumbs up:
 
btyre
on neumann monitors, 85 would be a really loud session for sure....
i cant run at 85 for very long, but i always do a single session at that volume to make sure the power is there...



polarity
thanks for listening to this one....
those ipod headphones just sound terrible to me.
i can see it sounding a bit harsh on those, they only reproduce the harsh frequencies!
LOL
and you know, the good earbuds have a lot more clear bass than any of those muddy soundin dr beats cans.
it is incredible what passes for 'decent' these days



mr clean
no headphoones, that's cool, but i'm still glad you listened....
thanks!
 
I thought this was a really impressive arrangement and production. Listening to it on headphones, I would have liked to hear more bass.
 
jessica
thanks, i appreciate that!
more bass in headphones, what kinds of cans/buds are you using?

if you play it thru your monitoring system, is the low end enough?
 
GONZO-X said:
...some reverbs and delays that are opposite panned, to give that width.
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Before reading this I wondered if your close drum mics were panned opposite of the overheads. The high hats seem to be coming from both sides at once, which is somewhat disconcerting to me. Maybe it's a panned delay that's doing it. The snare seems a bit left of center, but maybe that's where you want it to be.

Otherwise the production is excellent if slightly bright.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
Before reading this I wondered if your close drum mics were panned opposite of the overheads. The high hats seem to be coming from both sides at once, which is somewhat disconcerting to me. Maybe it's a panned delay that's doing it. The snare seems a bit left of center, but maybe that's where you want it to be.

Otherwise the production is excellent if slightly bright.
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boulder,
as i said earlier, the drums were put together in Sony Acid, and output from the program as a stereo wav file at 16 bit.
i had nothing to do with the 'mix' of the drums, and the room mic track in acid, is what is giving the large room sound to the track.
i have not applied any processing to the drum track at all, except for phase linear eq.

the reverbs/delays i was referring to was strictly for the live music tracks and vocals.
 
GONZO-X said:
boulder,
as i said earlier, the drums were put together in Sony Acid, and output from the program as a stereo wav file at 16 bit.
i had nothing to do with the 'mix' of the drums, and the room mic track in acid, is what is giving the large room sound to the track.
i have not applied any processing to the drum track at all, except for phase linear eq.

the reverbs/delays i was referring to was strictly for the live music tracks and vocals.
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I see. What Acid kit are you using?
 
gosh, i don't know now....
i wrote that drum part about 4 years ago, and have since moved onto toontracks superior drummer, which i highly prefer..

i just remember browsing the different loops, and finding a set of tracks that sounding very 'bonham' like....
and dialed up the room mic tracks just a bit too much!!
LOL

but i wanted a big kit sound, i definitely got it.

now, i typically use room mics, but keep them more normal sounding, without compression, and just a natural big room blended in, hard panned left and right.
 
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