First Vocal Recording Mic Selection

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I should have titled this thread, "Please answer all of Mark's questions."

Thank you all. Since this is my first topic, I don't know if I'm abusing the system or not. Each time you answer my questions and add wisdom and opinion, it brings up more questions. I have some other questions but they stray a bit from "condenser mic selection." I'd start a new thread but I feel like we are going through a process together and I don't want to loose the history. So, I'll just keep asking until one of you lets me know that I'm not following proper protocol.

I bought an Antares Vocal Producer, but I’m thinking about exchanging it. I wanted compression, de-essing, and a vocal EQ. I looked at vocal strips like DBX Pro Vocal, Behringer Ultra Voice, the ones by presonus, and Focusrite. I ended up buying the Antares (most expensive one) because the guy at the store said that nothing compares to what it can do for a vocal track and the good reviews. Now that I’ve been using it… I like the display that lets you select presets that can be named in plan English and adjusted and resaved. I like how you can easily turn on and off the different sections, I really like how things like the compressor and gate show a real-time meter and a line you can move on the meter to change the thresholds (that is ultra cool). But the parts I bet I paid the most $ for, I hardly use (Mic Modeler and Auto Tune). Mostly because the both add artifacts and I don’t know if I’m to the point of manipulating my vocals to that detail yet. Now I’m thinking that I’d be better off with a cheaper channel that actually sounds better and a better mic (there, I tied it back into the topic). And the Antares doesn’t even have a preamp, it’s just an effects box. Seems like I could just get a $120 Behringer and use Auto-Tune and Mic-modeler plug-ins and I'd be at the same place sonically?

I kind of see it like this: The Behringer is the price winner, the DBX has the benefit of effects and a digital out that seems to employ a decent A/D converter, the Focusrite is probably the cleanest sound, and the PreSonus probably falls between the Behringer and the Focusrite.

I like the DBX because I don’t have any outboard effects (Roland 3100pro has some built in), but I don’t know if I will still feel like the money could have been better-spent else ware. Maybe I’d be smarter with the Behringer and a separate fx box. But that would be one more box to deal with. There is probably a good thread on this in the archives. Let me know if there was one that was particularly helpful or compaired all of these. Or maybe one of you thinks I should keep the AVP and learn how to use it?
 
Mark, a few more of my "IMHO" opinions;

1) Stay away from Behringer, the products aren't backed by good
cutomer service, and the build quality is typically suspect.
(I have one of their mixers)
2) If you're looking for a good voice channel that includes a de-esser,
make sure to check out the Joe Meek VC1Qcs, it's the one even the
"big dogs" in recording can have in their studio arsenal.
(John Mellencamp is a big fan of these units BTW)
You'd also get a nice mic pre, an optical compressor, nice EQ that has
a mid sweep, and an exciter! Heck I'm running out to buy it now myself.
(just kidding, I'm fine with my VC6Q)
Most people who've compared the DBX and Focusrite unit think the
Meek smokes it based on end user internet comments I've read.
www.joemeek.com for more details, and I think there might be demo
units for sale too there.

Chris
 
If you've got the money, don't scrimp. You'll be sorry later if you do. If you don't have money to blow, Behringer will do you quite nicely ( except, I suppose, maybe, the mixers ). There is a Behringer hate group here ( you will see if you watch a while ) that you have to take with a grain of salt. For the money, some of Behringer's stuff will do the job as well as some high priced junk. Heck, for what they charge you can just throw the piece away if you don't like it. I haven't found any trouble at all with Behringer stuff. I will upgrade some of it when I get rich.

If I were choosing now, I would probably get the RNC instead of a Blue Max simply because the Max has no threshold setting. <grin> but once again, a cheap ole Behringer comp will probably do the same thing as either for half the price. Whatever you buy, you need a compressor with a big voice. The presets on my Max do pretty well for vocals - keep me from clipping. But I somehow feel gipped without that threshold control.
 
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