First reflection points????

[RAMI]

What are they and how do I find them???

Do I have to walk around my drum kit (or guitar amp, etc....) and listen for something? Or does it just mean anywhere between your instrument and the nearest wall???

It's a term I hear a lot but never really asked what or where it was.

 

[Yonce N Mild]

My very limited non-technical understanding (AKA take with a grain of salt) is that the First Reflection points are the first place that sound hits the wall and bounces directly back to the listener.

To find them for monitors you sit in your listening position and have someone move a mirror along the wall starting parallel with the monitor and moving back. The first place that you can see the monitor in the mirror is your first reflection point.

Ethan Winer has a good article about it here.
http://www.realtraps.com/rfz.htm

How that works for drums I'm not sure.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Pick a point on any reflective surface where, if you put a mirror there, you'd see at least one of your monitors in it from where you sit. Or, in the case of the live room, the case is the same, except replace the word "monitors" with the word "drums", and the phrase "you sit" with "your microphone sits".

You're not going to get all David Byrne on me again, are ya, Rami?

G.

 

[bigtom]

This may sound stupid but I'm assuming you sit in your listening position with the monitors to your back. Is this correct because the other way I can't even see the mirror.

 

[gecko zzed]

This may sound stupid but I'm assuming you sit in your listening position with the monitors to your back. Is this correct because the other way I can't even see the mirror.

I think you can also work this out by sitting in your seat, placing a mirror in front of the speaker driver, and seeing what part of the wall behind you is reflected in the mirror.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I think you can also work this out by sitting in your seat, placing a mirror in front of the speaker driver, and seeing what part of the wall behind you is reflected in the mirror.

I don't think that one works out, GZ; the symmetry in angle is around the reflection point, not the source. Move the distance of the reflection surface from the monitor and the angle from the perspective of the monitor changes, the symmetry is broken.

As for the original post that you were responding to, he has never heard of a neck or a swivel chair?

G.

 

[suprstar]

I don't think that one works out, GZ;

Yeah, that would make the monitor the reflection point..

1st reflections are places where the sound can bounce off the wall and to your ears in one bounce. Pretend your head is the cue ball, and the monitor is the pocket, and your walls are the rails.. Sink any 1 rail shot, those are your 1st refl. points.

 

[bigtom]

OK SouthSIDE,

I have heard of a swivel chair. I may live out in the sticks but we still get the sears catalog. I have seen swivel chairs in the catalog before but if I neck I forget all about the mirror.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I may live out in the sticks but we still get the sears catalog.

Hahahahaha, you people out in the sticks are still falling for the old "Sears catalog" trick, eh? Ahhhh, that one never loses it's humor.

If you promise to to tell anyone, Tom, I'll let you in on a little secret: There is no "Sears Roebuck & Co." There hasn't been in years. Any time one of us big city people needs a few extra bucks for a pedicure for our French poodles, we send one of these fake "catalogs" out to a random address somewhere out in the sticks. If/when we actually receive an order, we just take whatever was ordered from our servant's quarters, mail it out, and pocket the cash. When the servant notices it's missing, we blame the crime on illegal immigration.

It's great because we never have to actually spend any of our own money, and, since we actually own our servant's house as well as our servant, we can get insurance value for the "theft". That gives us enough extra to get the poodle a mud wrap.



G.

 

[bigtom]

Maybe that explains why I haven't lost any weight no matter how much vanishing cream I apply. You townies are sneaky

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Maybe that explains why I haven't lost any weight no matter how much vanishing cream I apply. You townies are sneaky

Hey, it did a good job of making your wallet disappear!

G.

 

[bigtom]

So that's where my wallet went

 

[apl]

The ceiling's got one, too.