Favorite 4-track!!!!!!!!

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Favorite 4-track

  • Tascam 424 MKII

    Votes: 57 28.8%
  • Tascam 424 MKIII

    Votes: 56 28.3%
  • Tascam 414 MKII

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • Fostex X-34

    Votes: 5 2.5%
  • Fostex X-18 or is it X-7???

    Votes: 3 1.5%
  • Tascam 488

    Votes: 30 15.2%
  • Tascam porta07

    Votes: 22 11.1%

  • Total voters
    198
Whoa, he says. How did I miss this poll? Then I saw it started before I was a member (which is also known as the good old days to some of you). :D

I owned the first three Tascam portastudios -- buying them new, TEAC 144, Tascam 244 and 246. Still have the 246.

The 246 is my favorite and my vote for best ever, as I think they started cutting corners shortly after to compete with the flood of cheep portable studios from more companies than I can name. They started coming out before, but just kept coming.

I wasn't completely happy with the eq though -- almost like leaving off the top. Like the 244, it has a 62 Hz-1.5k parametric and a 1k-8k parametric. By conventional thinking that’s a low and mid.

It wasn't a deal killer though you just had to get a feel for subtractive eq.

So, my best ever portastudio was never quite invented.

My idea was for a 246 MKII with an added 10k shelving eq. The 246 had some redundancy that wasn't necessary. If you look at the channel strip there are four channel buttons in a row labeled L/1, R/2, 3, and 4. Four buss assign buttons aren’t needed – only two. That’s because the record enable buttons and pan knobs take care of it by themselves. Even for recording four tracks at once with four separate channels doesn’t take four assign buttons.

They could have used only two assign buttons, labeled 1/2 and 3/4 like you find on the 200 series mixers, then used the freed up space for a 10k shelving eq right below the trim knob and moved everything down. For any benefit there may have been to four buttons, I would have rather had the eq.

Unfortunately, my dream MKII was not to be. For years mostly what we saw were cheap and chincy cassette toys (not all, but most). It just wasn’t financially realistic for Tascam to put quality first – no one cared.

Most of my friends had something – the Yamaha MT something or other, a smaller X-something Fostex and Vesta Fire that I can remember. Every single one of them needed major servicing or replacement within a few months - no more than a year. My 246 still has never failed after 18 years. I’ve replaced the belts and pinch roller once myself. Every tape machine made will need that at some point (even digital ones). ;)

So there’s my vote and my long-winded reason why. – complete with pros and cons, just so you know I’m not just a semimetal fool for the old days.

-Tim
 
im getting a 246 :D

and a 488 :rolleyes:

or maybe a 424MKII ;)

but either way...

its gonna be two. :D

(i just wanna show off my new hypotetical gear - lol)
 
Beck said:
Whoa, he says. How did I miss this poll? Then I saw it started before I was a member (which is also known as the good old days to some of you). :D

I owned the first three Tascam portastudios -- buying them new, TEAC 144, Tascam 244 and 246. Still have the 246.

The 246 is my favorite and my vote for best ever, as I think they started cutting corners shortly after to compete with the flood of cheep portable studios from more companies than I can name. They started coming out before, but just kept coming.

I wasn't completely happy with the eq though -- almost like leaving off the top. Like the 244, it has a 62 Hz-1.5k parametric and a 1k-8k parametric. By conventional thinking that’s a low and mid.

It wasn't a deal killer though you just had to get a feel for subtractive eq.

So, my best ever portastudio was never quite invented.

My idea was for a 246 MKII with an added 10k shelving eq. The 246 had some redundancy that wasn't necessary. If you look at the channel strip there are four channel buttons in a row labeled L/1, R/2, 3, and 4. Four buss assign buttons aren’t needed – only two. That’s because the record enable buttons and pan knobs take care of it by themselves. Even for recording four tracks at once with four separate channels doesn’t take four assign buttons.

They could have used only two assign buttons, labeled 1/2 and 3/4 like you find on the 200 series mixers, then used the freed up space for a 10k shelving eq right below the trim knob and moved everything down. For any benefit there may have been to four buttons, I would have rather had the eq.

Unfortunately, my dream MKII was not to be. For years mostly what we saw were cheap and chincy cassette toys (not all, but most). It just wasn’t financially realistic for Tascam to put quality first – no one cared.

Most of my friends had something – the Yamaha MT something or other, a smaller X-something Fostex and Vesta Fire that I can remember. Every single one of them needed major servicing or replacement within a few months - no more than a year. My 246 still has never failed after 18 years. I’ve replaced the belts and pinch roller once myself. Every tape machine made will need that at some point (even digital ones). ;)

So there’s my vote and my long-winded reason why. – complete with pros and cons, just so you know I’m not just a semimetal fool for the old days.

-Tim

Well said. Good info, Tim. :)

Btw, the poll should have included the 244 & 246 'cause these two stomp the shit outta the other ones. :eek: ;) :D

~Daniel
 
I have a Fostex X-26.

It is otherwise OK, but the buttons (play, rec, rewind etc) are really weak. Almost all have broken (I must stick my finger inside the machine to use those controls).

My friend has some Tascam model with double speed. It is much more robust.
 
It is generally understood that TASCAM put out some great models earlier on in their history but with the competition with the likes of Fostex, Yamaha to name a few, it begun cutting corners to fit in better price wise with its competition. What TASCAM had become in essence is another "Fostex" - pretty much a cheap toy that breaks. Unfortunatelly it's the consumers' fault for giving business to the likes of Fostex and cheaper alternatives. TASCAM either had to die or survive making inferior products. We asked for it.

~Daniel
 
Originally,...

Aaagggghhh!

EDITED!

I posted an off topic rant,... then deleted it!
'Guess y'had to be there!
:eek: ;)

Carry on!;)
 
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A Reel Person said:
Aaagggghhh!

EDITED!

I posted an off topic rant,... then deleted it!
'Guess y'had to be there!
:eek: ;)

Carry on!;)

Dave, that was good! I read your ORIGINAL "rant" (as I get email notifications when "someone replies") and you shoulda kept it ... :cool:

~Daniel
 
WOW I remember in my country long times ago how the first porta-studios sounded and how all the local children had them. The first real men to have them were for recording the underground gay bands. WOW the port-studio sounded real rough like the kareokie machines that were used by children.

I don't like porta-studio much but some do and they are good for toys and some go 2 X speed too.

Oh wel. each has his own thing and some have other thing.
 
Brilliant!

Another off-topic post! The entire topic is "What's your favorite 4-tracker". For you to say reel recording is better, is well understood.

You're a bitter, critical know-it-all, aren't you?

Please brush up on your English.

Thanx.;)
 
A Reel Person said:
Another off-topic post! The entire topic is "What's your favorite 4-tracker". For you to say reel recording is better, is well understood.

You're a bitter, critical know-it-all, aren't you?

Please brush up on your English.

Thanx.;)

The guy may be right, but, whta about this, Dave?

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Thank you for your advice.

God bless you & have a nice day. :)
 
Mine is the Tascam 564, but I know it's not one of the choices!
 
424 Mkii

HI, I'm new.
I'm a 40 year old geezer, and been playing with 4 tracks since the early 80's.
I rented fostex's from my local music store first, then bought a tascam porta one which bit the dust pretty quick after heavy use.

I then bought a 424 MK II in '96. I still have it and it works fine with a few bugs here and there, but I know how to work around things and get stuff to work.

I don't do much music recording anymore since I'm without a keyboard or guitar right now. I mainly use it for enhancing pre-recorded tapes that I dub.

I've always loved it for that purpose since you can fix the speed as well. A tape thats been dubbed through a few generations usually loses it's original speed. I've also used it to fix the speed on a guy's bootleg Deep Purple concert tapes where the batteries wore down.
But that equalizer is a beautiful thing to have for enhancing pre-recorded tapes.

I was just browsing eBAY the other day when I saw a used MKII in good condition for only $100.00. I couldn't resist bidding since there was only 2 hours left, even though I didn't NEED it. I mean I could use it, but I can still get by with my old one.

Well, I bid $103.00 and don't you know, I end up winning it.
I haven't got it yet, but hell, even if it doesn't work, (which I doubt
since he swore up and down that it works fine and even guaranteed my satisfaction),
I can use it for parts someday.

So, that made my month! I haven't looked up the pricing on those lately, but
a hundred bucks seems pretty damn good to me, especially since I paid $300.00 for my original one back in '96, and that was $150.00 dollars off back then.
 
My Favourite Portastudio

I imported a Tascam PortaOne Ministudio (privately) direct to New Zealand (where I was living at the time) from Japan. Cost me in real terms much more than I recently paid for a Digital 2488. Great machine. I used it without
problems for 17 years before it went into retirement. In this time the heads and a belt wwere replaced once. A simple, primitive four track with no whistles or bells. But it sure did its job for me. Still have it and it still works like new.

Also have a 424MKIII. V. nice. Bought at the same time I bought my 788. I did a couple of tunes on the 424MKIII and was impressed by the vastly superior sound quality over the PortaOne. The double-speed helps an awful lot in the higher frequencies. Silent dbx and the EQ (esp. sweeping mid-range) make this a VERY pleasing machine to work with.

I now only record digital. However, there are certain applications where I would not hesitate to use the MKIII - e.g. live choral recording, barber shop etc. I actually prefer the "hands-on" of analogue, you have the pleasure of working with a machine, rather than a computer. But, the options available digital (editing and fx) won me over some years ago for my own work.

I will however never part with my PortaOne or 424MKIII.

That’s my two cents.
 
I'm with you guys (girls?) on that!

The 564...
The Porta One...
The 424mkII...
The 424mkIII...

are all great machines, in my book. :eek: ;)

There are certain things I like each one for:

~ The 564 for it's *zero-tape-hiss*, full mixer, direct access & whizbang editing, although I have not used any of it's editing facilities personally. I also prefer removable media, the MDD. Coming from a cassette background, I've always thought of removable media as more convenient, more logical & easier to archive.

~ The Porta One for it's small format, full functioned mixer, battery capability, Mic/Line input Trim controls, OL LED's & VU meter design, that clearly blows away the likes of the Porta 02mkII, 03, and MF-P01.

~ The 424mkII for it's bold dark gray color, top panel mounted connectors, bright FL meter, dual speeds, dbx defeat, EQ section & attached power cord.

~ The 424mkIII for e'thing the 424mkII's famous for, plus the two extra full channel strips, which is like icing on the cake. (Less the attached power cord).:eek: ;)

Aw heck, I like them all! :eek: ;)
 
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Favourite Portastudio (forgot to mention)

I know, I know, this observation has been made many, many times - but: since I bought my 424MKIII at the same time I bought the 788 I was in a good position to do the classic (and now tedious 'cause its been done so many times) comparison of 24 bit digital Vs. analogue portastudio sound quality test.

Frankly, I was deeply impressed at how well the 424 performed. I recorded on the best quality tape I could find: BASF Reference Maxima (sadly, no longer available here in Belin) at 3-3/4 i.p.s. and mixed direct to CD-R at 16 bit through an external rack reverb unit. I must say that overall quality of the sound (resolution?) was everybit as good as that produced by the 788 IMHB. The top end was there in all its sparkling glory and the bottom end was warm and "present". In the past, it was the analogue mix down media (in my case, another cassette) which was responsible for so much loss of audio quality. This problem was solved with recordable CDs which revealed just how good these cassette-based portastudios could be.

A few years ago I digitized all my analogue cassette four track master tapes and remixed them on the 788 (it took forever). "Direct Out" from the 424MKIII / "Direct In" on the 788. Since most of these recordings (enough to fill four hour long CDs) were originally tracked on the PortaOne Ministudio there was a noticable loss of quality in the higher frequencies - but in general, the results were very good. In fact, I have a PortaOne tune tracked in 1985 that appears, seamlessly, back by back on a CD with material tracked on the 2488. There is hardly any notivcable difference in the aural quality. This has to go some way towards confirming just how good these analogue portastudios are.

I still kind of miss the warm glow of the VU meters in a darkened room come mix-down time.
 
I love my 244

I just got my 244 fixed at TEAC in los angeles. I've had it for 4 years and it's so simple and easy. The DBX and 3 3/4 ips, real VUs, mic pres, and gain staged EQ are what really excite me about this 26 year old machine.
 
Gosh man, the 244! My first Portastudio!

Sniff,... sniff,... (getting all fogged up and sentimental now),...

The 244 really is a fine machine. It has a great set of features, and was really high tech for it's day. It had all the bells & whistles that 1982-tech could offer: Big VU meters, OL LEDs on the preamps and stereo buss, 1-2-or-4-track-simul recording, tons of patch points, stereo Aux, stereo CUE. The 244's sound is excellent, rivalling the newest of Portastudios. Sniff,... sniff!;)

K Road, thanx for the interesting posts. A/B comparisons are always valuable. Dubbing all your 4-track cassettes to your 788 is an accomplishment in itself. I've also noticed the sonic differences between a Normal and High speed Portastudio recording. High speed sounds much better, with much more presence and clarity in the transients and high frequencies, but the comparative lofi of the Normal speed recording was never a show-stopper (for me/YMMV).
 
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