fattening up an existing sound??

[trumpet_man]

Hey Fraserhutch, I would be real interested in how Jerry Hey recorded his trumpet. Incidentally, I experimented with adding some chorus, and also copying the track two times and then three times. For what I did, copying the track a couple of times was similar to a chorus effect. Which, by the way, the chorus did fatten it up, however, it didn't sound as natural as what I would have preferred. From an electronic standpoint, it was awesome, I must admit. It sounds great with all the guitars I have playing at the same time. I also added some delay, which also helped, but it was easy to overkill and get a cavern type sound. So I backed off a little on the delay and it sounded pretty good. Then, believe it or not, I lessened the amount of compression, which seems to have helped. By over-compressing the trumpet I think it kind of killed the size of the sound. Then I eq'd the trumpet by pumping the midrange and the highs and left the low end kind of deep sounding. At this point, it seems to sound way better. But I'll run a mix and listen to it again tomorrow. Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm still open to anything and everything.

 

[Farview]

. Are you saying you are adding FX or effects?

Green Hornet

FX is shorthand for effects, not to be confused with an affect.

What is so hard to understand? Send the trumpet through a pitch shifter, plugin or outboard box, and set it 9 cents up on the right and 9 cents down on the left. It's an effect, like delay of chorus, some people call it a vocal spreader. This is mixing 101 shit. What are you confused about.

 

[Farview]

Copying a track and shifting it will only lead to phase problems.

 

[noisewreck]

Yes, I've thought of double or even triple tracking. How would I go about doing that? Offset each one and eq them differently? Any more suggestions?

No, by that I mean actually performing it 2-3 times and record them on different tracks. It will the sound like more than one trumpet.

 

[fraserhutch]

FX is shorthand for effects, not to be confused with an affect.

What is so hard to understand? Send the trumpet through a pitch shifter, plugin or outboard box, and set it 9 cents up on the right and 9 cents down on the left. It's an effect, like delay of chorus, some people call it a vocal spreader. This is mixing 101 shit. What are you confused about.

Problem is, such effects as chorus are, imho, too readily apparent on trumpet. They're fine if you are looking for such an effect, but to my taste not suitable if what you are looking for is to fatten up the sound. YMMV af course. I'd much rather re-track and get the sound I want first.

 

[The Green Hornet]

Yo Silly Sombrero:

Got it. Understand. But, there is a big difference between affect and effect.

Appreciate you taking time to offer clarity. The ratiocinative process indeed is affected by various connotations and, of course denotations which single
words and phrases create.

Green Hornet

 

[giraffe]

trumpets are not usually all that "big" all alone. (but c1000 deffinately won't help)

i would just track more, with a ribbon or dynamic if you can get a hold of either.

arrangements can sound huge..... but not usually a single trumpet.

 

[fraserhutch]

ok, the Jerry Hey reference is from the Recording Engineer's Handbook. He uses a Royer 121 on trumpets, and he records from a foot and a half to 4 feet away from the ends of the bells, depending on the size of the room (the smaller the room, the closer the mic). Directly on-axis, which gives a little more presence.

Neumann KM54s are used by some engineers as are '67s' (which I took to mean Neumann U-67, anyone please feel free to correct me if I assume incorrectly).


Hope that helps a bit.

 

[noisewreck]

Send the trumpet through a pitch shifter, plugin or outboard box, and set it 9 cents up on the right and 9 cents down on the left.

Which would sound great in stereo (specially on headphones) and like poo in mono.

 

[Farview]

Which would sound great in stereo (specially on headphones) and like poo in mono.

You don't saturate it in pitch shifter, you bring it up behind the dry signal. No louder than a reverb would be. Just enough so that you can notice when you shut it off but not notice that it's there. If you do it too much, it will sound like Van Halens guitar sound on Poundcake. It needs to be subtle. Am I the only one that does this?