EZDrummer3 opinion

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Legitimately, if you use this, how long does it take you to create an average song? Any tips or warnings to use with Tascam DP32-SD? I'm not sure I am going this route, but looking for the opinions of users. Thanks in advance.
 
I haven't updated to 3, but I have to assume it is probably better than 2. That being said, there are a lot of good features in 2. I use the MIDI grooves and have purchased some of the packs. I use the grooves a lot and depending on approach I can have the drum parts knocked out pretty quick. I will sometimes add to the drums to give it more personal flavor (record a new MIDI track and route to the EZ channel or add to existing MIDI). I really like the labeling, verse, chorus, bridge, fill and there are some presets for different drum mix.

I haven't really used other drum plugins much, I do find EZ and the SD drums and their MIDI packs very good and very usable.
 
Legitimately, if you use this, how long does it take you to create an average song? Any tips or warnings to use with Tascam DP32-SD? I'm not sure I am going this route, but looking for the opinions of users. Thanks in advance.
EZ Drummer 3 is software - how are you going to snyc the drum to the DP-32? In any case it might take days to create a track- it depends on how complicated you want the drums - and how adept you are at feel or programing - but straight ahead drums and not altering much you have a track in about 1/2/ hour.

On average I can have song up and ready in about 20 minutes - then over the next week or so I alter parts - move around the different drums and tweak the feel.
 
Personally, I've modified my workflow to make it so that every drum plugin I use has fundamentally the same workflow. Setting EZD to be compatible with this heavily-customized, template-based multi-routed workflow was in general more easy and standardized than some of the other options. e.g. if an Ugritone kit takes 15 minutes to build the template, an EZD one takes 10. But, once my templates are built, every drum kit takes the exact same amount of time to track/sequence and edit.
 
But, once my templates are built, every drum kit takes the exact same amount of time to track/sequence and edit.
Do the templates have the timing of the drums built into them? Meaning sometime you want to push the snare a couple of ticks in front of the beat - and the hi-hat one tick in front - and then the kick locked into the beat -
 
I haven't used EzD3, but I'm a Superior 3 user and I'm assuming the audio engine is broadly similar, you just lose a lot of the (stupendous) flexibility you get with Superior.

And, if so, I'll add that Superior 3 was a huge step up in realism over Superior 2. I've been very impressed - subtle flams and ghost notes and stff like that, well, it handles them REALLY well.
 
I haven't used EzD3, but I'm a Superior 3 user and I'm assuming the audio engine is broadly similar, you just lose a lot of the (stupendous) flexibility you get with Superior.

And, if so, I'll add that Superior 3 was a huge step up in realism over Superior 2. I've been very impressed - subtle flams and ghost notes and stff like that, well, it handles them REALLY well.
I've been thinking of upgrading to SD3, not cheap, but SD2 has served me well. Is the humanize feature pretty good?
 
I've been thinking of upgrading to SD3, not cheap, but SD2 has served me well. Is the humanize feature pretty good?
IMO it isn't the humanize, so much as... idunno, S2 was always very good... but the cymbals in particular on S3 just feel WAY more natural. I can try to do some A/B clips with the same drum programming bt the different engines (I think I still have 2 on my machine) though of course different presets will cause differences too... But they feel significantly more "real" sounding to me, the way the cymbals behave. And I do think things like flams and ghost notes are handled far better.
 
IMO it isn't the humanize, so much as... idunno, S2 was always very good... but the cymbals in particular on S3 just feel WAY more natural. I can try to do some A/B clips with the same drum programming bt the different engines (I think I still have 2 on my machine) though of course different presets will cause differences too... But they feel significantly more "real" sounding to me, the way the cymbals behave. And I do think things like flams and ghost notes are handled far better.
Thanks for that info. I know on SD2, to your point about cymbals, I even purchased some cymbals so I could get a more realistic sound. But...

I think I will look into SD3. I use the SD plugin 99% on my stuff, so it isn't like I won't get my money's worth.
 
Happy to run some comparison clips and whatnot, but I really was impressed by how much more natural all the brass sounded.
 
Legitimately, if you use this, how long does it take you to create an average song? Any tips or warnings to use with Tascam DP32-SD? I'm not sure I am going this route, but looking for the opinions of users. Thanks in advance.
Ive been using EZDrummer 2 and now 3 (since it was released) with the Tascam DP-32SD for about 10 years now. I love that work flow. It's perfect for my purposes. I'm starting to work more in Reaper - but for sketching or getting basic mixes down - this is still my go-to approach. It's quick, easy, and fun.

I typically hash out my song arrangements with an unplugged electric guitar or acoustic - and EZD setup for stand-alone on my laptop. Once the arrangement is finalized - I render the drum files to wav - and then export those files to the Audio Depot folder of the Tascam ---> then import those from Audio Depot to available stereo tracks.

(I keep my laptop connected to the DP all the time. But I also use another laptop as well and simply use a USB stick to move the files)

*How long* it takes to create a drum part depends on the tune - and the complexity or sophistication of the song and/or drum part. I often use the "tap to find" feature and start from there. Just like with anything - digging in will get you where you're more efficient with editing and tweaking parts. I'm cutting, splicing, copying, pasting, moving.... stuff all the time. You get good just by doing. EZD is very intuitive - as the name implies.

Since, in EZD, you can export anything from the EZD/mixer in whatever groupings you choose - early on I used to just move a full stereo drum mix as a single stereo pair. But this doesn't give you any control later. So - since the DP-32SD has plenty of tracks for what I typically do - I now export/import all of the drums individually. Gives you much more control later - and is a more conventional approach. Again - this still leaves plenty of stereo and mono tracks to work with.

I typically leave the reverb channel from EZD out - as I can add that in the DP as I see fit.

Once the arrangement is set and the drums are sitting on individual tracks - you can start building from there.

On the occasion that I want to change something with the drums - as long as I don't mess with the tempo or arrangment - I can lay my change right over what is there and it aligns perfectly every time (although I've learned to get the drums right from the outset to avoid having to do that).

The only other thing to keep in mind is making sure the bit depth and sample rate of the EZD wav files match the bit depth and sample rate of the song file created in the DP. Its 24/48 always for me.

I love working in EZD. It's fun and intuitive. And endlessly editable. And occasionally inspirational. F'n genius software.

There is more than one way to skin a cat - but this approach is a pretty good one. I miss working with a live drummer - but this is the next best thing - and even has many advantages too obvious to mention. :thumbs up:
 
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Do the templates have the timing of the drums built into them? Meaning sometime you want to push the snare a couple of ticks in front of the beat - and the hi-hat one tick in front - and then the kick locked into the beat -
With EZD3 you can now "nudge" drum hits for altering timing and feel.
 
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