EZ Drummer POP/ROCK Kit how to transform into awesome deathmetal/death core kit.

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Batteries are charging. Will do up a little video later if your patient. :)
 
Chili said:
EZD has an Electronic expansion patch. Haven't heard it before, but for sure they have samples on their website. I don't know enough about AD to advise.
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Thanks for the info, Chili!
 
Ah, I decided it was more work than it was worth to do a video. Plus I really do suck at drums. lol

So audio examples of why I think AD is better than EZ instead:

With AD, you can strip the kit down dry and output each channel (OH, Snare, each tom, etc...) to a channel in cubase or whatever DAW your using.
And that sounds like this.

I would rather start with the above sound because it leaves me WAY more flexability to shape the drums as I please.
Like this. This is the same kit as above. I think AD is better because I get to mix it.

Now ez drummer sounds ok:
EZ drummer default rock kit without the room mics on.
or
EZ drummer default rock kit with the room mics on.

But the problem is your pretty much stuck with that sound because that's how they mixed the drums... well I don't want anyone's mixed drums I want dry samples so I can have more power over the way it sounds.

And I'm not saying that I wouldn't stack more pre mixed (steve slate) samples on top of that treated AD kit, but I get to be in control of that as well. Plus, even with extreme messed with ez drummer sounds I can still hear it was used. That's how signature the ez drummer kit sounds.

Now there is one EZX I like a lot, but it's because I think it sounds a lot more natural and that the Nashville EZX.

Nashville EZX kit with room mics on


PS: If you don't want to wait through all the rock/metal stuff, skip to 2:30 of these clips to hear more dynamic jazzy playing.
 
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Oh and AD has mapping for:

The Alesis DM10
Roland kits (all of the td series and the HD-1 and handsonic)
A bunch of yamaha kits (dtx explorere, and DTX express III, III basic, IV, and IV basic)

as well as GM mapping and the default mapping.


It worked like a gem with my TD-3, just recall the setting and it maps itself accordingly.
 
I'm traveling this week and away from my studio, but I can listen on some crappy headphones. later tonight.

One thing I noted, and maybe I misunderstood you, with ezd you can separate out the different drums to individual tracks and mix the kit yourself. I made a preset that sets each drum to 0 on the ezd mixer, then I use the faders in cubase to mix with. Same for panning.

thanks for posting the comps. checking them out later... :cool:
 
Chili said:
I'm traveling this week and away from my studio, but I can listen on some crappy headphones. later tonight.

One thing I noted, and maybe I misunderstood you, with ezd you can separate out the different drums to individual tracks and mix the kit yourself. I made a preset that sets each drum to 0 on the ezd mixer, then I use the faders in cubase to mix with. Same for panning.

thanks for posting the comps. checking them out later... :cool:
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I know this (actually if/when I use ez drummer I use it within superior as it's quite a bit more flexible). My problem lies with the processing that was applied to the samples. Your stuck with mixed samples, even when you output them to their own thing. It's like slate stuff, it sounds good but your pretty much stuck with how slate mixed them.
 
Hmmmm I'm beginning to venture into a more electronic rock kind of feel...and I wanted to get a flexible drum program that has the typical rock sounds but also lets me get a little funky with some electronica type of drums too. Would either AD or EZ be good for what I'm trying to do?
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A simple, concise answer to your question.....AD....by a long shot.
 
Guitargodgt said:
Ah, I decided it was more work than it was worth to do a video. Plus I really do suck at drums. lol

So audio examples of why I think AD is better than EZ instead:

With AD, you can strip the kit down dry and output each channel (OH, Snare, each tom, etc...) to a channel in cubase or whatever DAW your using.
And that sounds like this.

I would rather start with the above sound because it leaves me WAY more flexability to shape the drums as I please.
Like this. This is the same kit as above. I think AD is better because I get to mix it.

Now ez drummer sounds ok:
EZ drummer default rock kit without the room mics on.
or
EZ drummer default rock kit with the room mics on.

But the problem is your pretty much stuck with that sound because that's how they mixed the drums... well I don't want anyone's mixed drums I want dry samples so I can have more power over the way it sounds.

And I'm not saying that I wouldn't stack more pre mixed (steve slate) samples on top of that treated AD kit, but I get to be in control of that as well. Plus, even with extreme messed with ez drummer sounds I can still hear it was used. That's how signature the ez drummer kit sounds.

Now there is one EZX I like a lot, but it's because I think it sounds a lot more natural and that the Nashville EZX.

Nashville EZX kit with room mics on


PS: If you don't want to wait through all the rock/metal stuff, skip to 2:30 of these clips to hear more dynamic jazzy playing.
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You fake drum guys need to stop panning the cymbals so wide. It sounds retarded.
 
Guitargodgt said:
My problem lies with the processing that was applied to the samples.
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I hear ya, but that's by design... for us idiots who can't/don't-want-to do it ourselves. :)

I'm quite happy with the sounds I get from ezd. I do a lot of editing in the midi data to make it less programmed and more real and I think I achieved that to some extent. I use a little compression and eq to work around my other tracks, but like you said, most processing is done already.

Haven't had the chance to listen to your samples yet, but I will.
 
Greg_L said:
You fake drum guys need to stop panning the cymbals so wide. It sounds retarded.
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I don't pan shit, they come that way.

Plus different strokes. I like them that way, fucking hate 60%/60% OR 80%/80% pan.
 
Guitargodgt said:
I don't pan shit, they come that way.

Plus different strokes. I like them that way, fucking hate 60%/60% OR 80%/80% pan.
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You can't adjust the overheads? You're stuck with unrealistic, too-isolated crashes banging all over the stereo field?
 
Indeed they are mixed that way. You can pan them, but it fucks up the stereo image (at least to my ears it does). I'll throw up a clip of the OH track only in a few.
 
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