EVERYONE!! Please listen!

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Hey everyone, I have a track for you to listen to. I want to get an all around opinion. This is along the lines of Symphonic metal, with black metal and a little Death metal influence, but please, I want to see if people who arent the usual metal heads enjoy it as well.

Listen to a few things, first of all, obviously, the music... do you like it? rhythmic and melodic choices.

secondly, the mixing.. do you think it was mixed well? cann you hear everything clearly, anything need more/less volume?

and thirdly, does it flow to you guys at all? I am not sure if my arrangement skills are very good. so let me know if you think it feels like it flows naturally or if there is a change that doesnt make musical sense.

WITH THAT SAID, I HOPE YOU ENJOY!!!!
 
first off, let me say that im not at all a fan of this type of music, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

the music and composition is good. the keyboard parts are done very well. the arrangement is also good. it flows pretty well for what it is. the ending is a little abrupt, but whatever.

i personally dont care much for the mix. i dont particualrly like the cymbals panned that wide and the guitar tone is scratchy and muddy. maybe thats what youre looking for though in this genre, so i dont know. the snare is almost non-existant when everything else is going haywire. i also dont hear hardly any bass guitar. for my ears, this song would be much more listenable with these things addressed. but again, i dont get this type of music, so take it however you want.

overall though, id say youre on the right track. pretty good job. :)
 
Oh, I apologize for not clarifying, but this is definately not completed. the ending is very abrubt I agree haha, but thats just where I left off.

the guitars probably sound like crap cause i was recording a 30 watt combo with a 57. its just Keys, Guitar, and programmed Drums. No bass.

I noticed that the cymbals are panned a little wide. Thanks very much for the comments!!!

BTW you had to have enjoyed the groove part at 1:12 right? haha
 
darkecho said:
Oh, I apologize for not clarifying, but this is definately not completed. the ending is very abrubt I agree haha, but thats just where I left off.

the guitars probably sound like crap cause i was recording a 30 watt combo with a 57. its just Keys, Guitar, and programmed Drums. No bass.

I noticed that the cymbals are panned a little wide. Thanks very much for the comments!!!

BTW you had to have enjoyed the groove part at 1:12 right? haha
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sure. if thats a 'groove' then i enjoyed it. :p
 
What would you call it then?!? thats the part where everyone is suppose to start headbanging their butts off. hahha I specifically designed it for that purpose, "Facilitated Getting-Into-It-Part" is what I call it.
 
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darkecho said:
!?!?! what woudl you call it? thats the part where everyone is suppose to start headbanging their butts off. hahha I specifically designed it for that purpose, "Facilitated Getting-Into-It-Part" is what I call it.
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yeah well i stopped 'banging my head' back in the late 80's. now i just sit and listen. :cool:
 
hahaha.

Well, there have been quite a few views but no one is responding, Greg. Please! I NEED some feeeback Everyone!! thanks!
 
The synths, and songwriting are your biggest strengths... tone your biggest weakness.

The drums sound obviously synthetic. Even programmed drums can sound 10x better than this. It is (1) the cymbals and (2) the snare .. that make it most obvious, but the kick is pretty bad too. The programming is nice, but if you put the same midi (assuming that's what it is) through some nicer samples.. it would be night and day.

The guitars sound like crap to be perfectly straightforward. Again, I mean the playing is good, but the tone, again, is bad. BAD. You seem to be running direct in from a boss processor or something, with no amp/speaker simulation of any kind. Get a V-Amp, a POD, a real guitar amp plugin.. practically anything can give you better tone than whatever you are using there.

I am a fan of metal, including pretty much any subgenre you can name.. the music I record has even covered some similar ground at one time or another.. so I am familiar with this kind of song structure.. the only part that felt remotely "wrong" to me was the abrupt switch to the first blastbeat part, and then back out of it within seconds... the 2nd time you use the blasts it segues well into the next part..

So in short.. song good.. mix bad.. the mix itself might sound better with proper instrument tones, but the panning seems a bit uneven on some things so you might want to pay attention to that...
 
darkecho said:
the guitars probably sound like crap cause i was recording a 30 watt combo with a 57.
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Why would that be the reason the guitars would sound bad? :confused:
 
RAMI said:
Why would that be the reason the guitars would sound bad? :confused:
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i agree. if anything, that should be one of the highlights of this song.
 
Actually I feel I should clarify. It isn't that the drum samples are bad, it is that they have no dynamics. A real player uses dynamics. Every hit does not sound exactly the same, nor is it played at the exact same volume as the last. In midi programming this is represented as a "velocity" level, ranging from 0-127. So programming velocities into your hits is step 1 in achieving a realistic drum sound. Step 2 is finding a plugin or more accurately a sample set that takes advantage of these velocities. These are called "Multisamples". These days you can get bundles such as DFH Superior which provide both the samples and the plugin needed to output them to audio channels. Then they can be further processed and mixed to taste.
 
I duno its a really small amp and an OK dynamic mic? I was also recording it in my bedroom which has tiled floors. I duno, maybe I just need to mess with placement more, maybe put a rug under the amp.


Thank you very much for the comments on the Tone.. This is actually a writing project for my local band, I like to program 'optional' drums for our drummer to use as reference when he learns the song, so I didnt put a whooole lot of effort into them but I agree, maybe I should find a better machine.


could you be more specific about the blastbeat part in the beginning, are you talking about the part after the 4 chokes, the blastbeats that lead into the groove part?
 
Recording guitar from a 30 watt combo, why should that be a highlight? Metal technique requires a certain guitar tone no little combo amp is going to provide you. Believe me I've tried it.
 
darkecho said:
I duno its a really small amp and an OK dynamic mic? I was also recording it in my bedroom which has tiled floors. I duno, maybe I just need to mess with placement more, maybe put a rug under the amp.
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a 30w tube can usually crank out some tone, and a shure 57 is the standard in dynamic instrument mics, so yeah, id say you need to fiddle with it some more.
 
the blastbeats: yes I believe that is what I am referring to.. after the mutes.. it just sounded odd the first time I listened to it, but I suppose it is something you get used to.
 
Mistral said:
Recording guitar from a 30 watt combo, why should that be a highlight? Metal technique requires a certain guitar tone no little combo amp is going to provide you. Believe me I've tried it.
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well i said that under the assumption that hes using some type of pedal or processor setup. if its a good amp, he should be able to get a decent enough tone for that good mic to pick up and record. if hes just using the built-in gain, then yeah that could be a problem.
 
darkecho said:
I duno its a really small amp and an OK dynamic mic? I was also recording it in my bedroom which has tiled floors. I duno, maybe I just need to mess with placement more, maybe put a rug under the amp.


Thank you very much for the comments on the Tone.. This is actually a writing project for my local band, I like to program 'optional' drums for our drummer to use as reference when he learns the song, so I didnt put a whooole lot of effort into them but I agree, maybe I should find a better machine.


could you be more specific about the blastbeat part in the beginning, are you talking about the part after the 4 chokes, the blastbeats that lead into the groove part?
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Darkecho...Please don't take this the wrong way...But I'm trying to figure out what you're expecting from us.
You put a song. So far, we've found out there is no bass....You don't really want us to judge the drums because you yourself said they are just a reference for the drummer and not to take them seriously....You're saying the combo and the mic suck (which isn't true since probably 90% of guitar tracks are recorded with a 57)...You've had a reason (excuse) for every criticism you've been given.
Maybe you can save us and yourself alot of time if you just tell us what it is exactly you want us to listen to and give you comments on...And whether you only want positive comments or not.
 
I was under the impression this song was supposed to be something you wanted to get as professional sounding as possible, so my comments were tailored to that mindset. If this song is just for your drummer to work from I don't really see how the mixing is relevant but I suppose it's ok to practice..
 
Yeah, I apologize for the lack of clarity for my purpose. I suppose I was more looking for the songwriting and structure.. I can see why that might have been a little confusing hahah. Perhaps I shoudl wait until our drummer learns the parts and we get the leadguitarists "Real" amp (big marshall 120 watt with some head thingand I duno, its just huge) before I ask about the song...

I think I was just excited about the songwriting and wanted to see what you guys thought about the tune itself. Thanks for all of the replies already though, All of them have been useful to me!
 
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