Eq Ying/Yang Effect

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RAMI if u can't answer the question then gosit down somewhere and shut up lol. and stop posting if u arent gonna answer the question cause i don't need sarcastic answers dumbass lol
 
Hey brainless, your question has been answered about 20 times in this thread. But you're so clueless that you don't even realise people are pretty much making fun of you at this point. You have recording equipment? Than why don't you turn it on, turn on your eq and start playing with it? That's the only way YOUR EARS will tell you if something "sounds natural" or not.That's what pretty much EVERYBODY have been trying to tell you since you started this thread.

Jesus, get a clue for Christ's sake.
 
OK I apologise, I lost it there for a second..........hehe

SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
 
RAMI said:
SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL. My wife HATES when I say that. Good reference though!

edit - I think he is someones "alter-ego" trying to be funny.....
 
djclueveli said:
does cuttin sound more natural when mastering too?
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As in many 'general techniques, they apply and are useful (generally ;) ) in many ways.
In this case it's simply to try to take a 'do the least harm first' tack.
 
RAMI shut the fuck up before i come to your george bush ranch (probably where he lives) and smack the shit outta you LOLLOL!!!
 
djclueveli said:
RAMI shut the fuck up before i come to your george bush ranch (probably where he lives) and smack the shit outta you LOLLOL!!!
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Yeah you and what army :D
 
djclueveli said:
RAMI shut the fuck up before i come to your george bush ranch (probably where he lives) and smack the shit outta you LOLLOL!!!
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You sure know how to win friends and influence people, djclueless. Is that the Carnegie method? :rolleyes:
 
Fucking with RAMI aint cool. He tried to help you at first. So did others. Go re-read the entire thread, and see. Use your ears. Experiment. That is the best way to learn. Take the advice given to you, and experiment with it. Post a clip or something. But DON'T, Fuck with RAMI....
 
The thing that bothers me the most is that DjDickless used my name in the same sentence as George B-B-B-...I'm sorry, I just can't say it.
 
RAMI said:
The thing that bothers me the most is that DjDickless used my name in the same sentence as George B-B-B-...I'm sorry, I just can't say it.
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You feel bothered :confused: , Think about all your fellow candadians.
He practically said Bush is a Canadian citizen, pherhaps he even think he`s the president of canada to. :D
 
jesus christ....I mention one thing about ying yang EQ and suddenly it gets to this. CHEERS!


One bit of noted advice:


Yes use your ears, but yes read on why different EQ designs are doing stuff to your sound that you can't hear until it's too late.


:)


As far as I had explained about ying yang EQ, there is no formula for this. You simply "boost a little on one side and you cut on the other" to achieve the same results you would with singular massive cuts or boosts.

Both attenuating and boosting introduces some type of phase shift.



So suffice it to say, I would much rather cut and boost just a little than make huge and unatural sounding boosts on EQ.

The only way I would make a cut or boost over 3db is to compinsate for poor recording techique, gear use/selection and poor room qualities.
 
LeeRosario said:
Both attenuating and boosting introduces some type of phase shift.
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Hey - can you explain that a bit - I thought I read that only boosting frequencies introduced phase artifacts.
 
NL5 said:
Hey - can you explain that a bit - I thought I read that only boosting frequencies introduced phase artifacts.
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Well lets see how I explain it. Cause this is something that's extremely visual in my head, but I can't explain the physics like a Bob Katz would. Ok here goes:


In my school days, we had a course called audiotronics. So we took it upon ourselves to use the osiloscopes to test mock channel strips.

You pass your test tone through the channel strip and suddenly you have a view on the green screen.


Now everytime an EQ change was made, you can obviously tell there where things going on there. For which this is how I've always visualized it in my head (this is how I teach myself these things):


Imagine you have like this thin piece of straight cardboard and you put it in a stream of running water parallel to the current. The cardboard represents the EQ and the running water represents your signal properties.



Now comparing the physics aside, we can say that the straight piece of cardboard is your flat EQ. Now if you put a bend in that piece of cardboard to simulate a dip or boost in EQ, then you can see that the flow of water suddenly becomes disrupted.


Now you put another dip and/or boost further up on the cardboard and you can see the water is further disrupted.

And likewise, the bigger the dip, the more disrupted the water becomes.


The higher the quality of EQ, the smoother the flow of your signal. So you see, both a boost and a cut would introduce a "disruption" in your signal. Of course this disruption in your signal is not really noticeable right off the bat. It takes a while to develop an ear for different EQs and to learn how manufactures approach thier designs.





I would almost discribe a higher quality EQ as being made by smoother and more "aero dynamic" material.

So a beringer EQ would be the cardboard and a Neve 88R EQ would be like a jet engine pylon.

Then you have linear phase EQs:

Liner Phase EQs introduce delay at different frequencies to correct for the phase shift. I wouldn't know exactly how to translate that into the cardboard and water picture. However, those algorithms are really expensive, which is why mastering EQs cost a heavy penny, both digital and analog.

Sonic Maximizers are almost a species of liniar phase EQ.

So this explination is really over simplified, but it's always discribed exactly how I see the effect of EQ in my head ever since I saw that green screen.
 
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LeeRosario said:
Well lets see how I explain it. Cause this is something that's extremely visual in my head, but I can't explain the physics like a Bob Katz would. Ok here goes:
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Lee... thanks for the visual. Posts like this are why I read this message board.
 
LeeRosario said:
Then you have linear phase EQs:

Liner Phase EQs introduce delay at different frequencies to correct for the phase shift. I wouldn't know exactly how to translate that into the cardboard and water picture. However, those algorithms are really expensive, which is why mastering EQs cost a heavy penny, both digital and analog.
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Thanks Lee!

Waves LinEQ is a Linear phase eq then, correct?
 
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