EQ ING MIX .. / compressing mix

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Not to bust your chops or anything, Glen. But I do have some serious and legitimate disagreement with this method. Not that I think it's the end of the world or anything if you do it that way.

But I would never advocate taking the liberty of sliding tracks over like that, unless you're doing it to compensate for phase issues or latency. And I realize 5-8 ms is pretty inconsequential in the big picture of things ... but the groove between the drummer and bassist, in many instances, represents the very backbone and soul of the track.

The very best grooves you hear are the ones where the kick and bass sound like one instrument. Not to sound like Bob or anything, here, but a very popular method of helping the kick and bass to jell a little better is actually to bus them to the same compressor, same channel, same settings, etc. Really helps, big-time, in punching up the rythm section.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say chess. Again, this is one of those threads where it comes down to interpretation of words because we can't hear the actual music. I was going on his looking for "seperation" of the bass and kick, to use his words.

And - again this totally depends upon the tyle of music as to which way to work this if at all - but very often a slight lag between the bass an kick can add an enormous amount of groove and feel to the rhythm. Lag the bass slightly behind the beat and things can feel much more low down and funky. Put it right on the beat and it's much more up front and formal. Lag the kick slightly behind the drums for a more world beat kind of sound.

And we're talking extremely short times here, on the order of maybe 10ms, give or take. At that level, the other idea to to take advantage of the presidence effect. When you have a bass and a kick that are competing in the mix, sliding the one you want to emphasize just a few ms forward (or pushingthe other one back a few ms, depending on which way you want to skew the groove) will help emphasize the sound of the first instrument. The advantage is that it can accomplish this without having to fuck with any further EQ or compression processing that may (maybe) cost more in signal mangling than the profit returned in sonically seperating the two.

It all depends upon the music style and the arrangement, as usual.

G.

 

[chessrock]

... very often a slight lag between the bass an kick can add an enormous amount of groove and feel to the rhythm. Lag the bass slightly behind the beat and things can feel much more low down and funky. Put it right on the beat and it's much more up front and formal. Lag the kick slightly behind the drums for a more world beat kind of sound.

Whatever you say, SS.

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[fraserhutch]

Looks like Bob (Bob Speer) up and deleted his posts in this thread, as well as most of his other posts. I wonder why he left 3 behind?

Too funny.

 

[EddieRay]

Looks like Bob (Bob Speer) up and deleted his posts in this thread, as well as most of his other posts. I wonder why he left 3 behind?

Too funny.

Aha. No wonder this thread makes no sense.

 

[chessrock]

I wonder why he left 3 behind?

So he could do exactly what he originally came here to do in the first place; plug his "mastering" services.

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[fraserhutch]

So he could do exactly what he originally came here to do in the first place; plug his "mastering" services.

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Hmmmm, sorta hard to do with no links in his profile and none in his sig........

 

[Reggie]

Mr. Speer's place is in my town. I've been meaning to check it out one of these days, perhaps as a place to send the bands I record to (haha--as if they even have a "mastering budget").

Hope he's not another Bill Roberts...

 

[chessrock]

Hmmmm, sorta hard to do with no links in his profile and none in his sig........

Sorta' hard to do when you erase every single one of your posts so as to leave no evidence behind.

Dude's a total fake.

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[fraserhutch]

He left 4 posts behind

Sorta' hard to do when you erase every single one of your posts so as to leave no evidence behind.

Dude's a total fake.

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[fraserhutch]

Mr. Speer's place is in my town. I've been meaning to check it out one of these days, perhaps as a place to send the bands I record to (haha--as if they even have a "mastering budget").

Hope he's not another Bill Roberts...

$355 for a whole CD is a steal, dontch'a think? Should be doable