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cat-eggs
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hi. are there schools that teach audio engineering? i've seen the studios that offer courses, but...i don't know about that.
NYC area?
thanks
NYC area?
thanks
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
As the official poster boy for college dropouts here is my input-
If your gonna spend money spend it on equipment. You will learn more in a few days of recording than you will in weeks of classes.
If you insist on going to school or need to please the parents than study computers, business, engineering or something that is truly usefull.
You can always go intern at a studio and learn everything there as well as the business aspects. Nobody will hire you because you went to an audio engineering school. They will hire you becuase of your demo CD.
But if you insist there is probably a Full Sail school in your area
If your gonna spend money spend it on equipment. You will learn more in a few days of recording than you will in weeks of classes.
If you insist on going to school or need to please the parents than study computers, business, engineering or something that is truly usefull.
You can always go intern at a studio and learn everything there as well as the business aspects. Nobody will hire you because you went to an audio engineering school. They will hire you becuase of your demo CD.
But if you insist there is probably a Full Sail school in your area
Stealthtech
LOGIC ABUSER
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shortyc
New member
<--full sail grad
ask away...
ask away...
Roel
That SMART guy.
Re: <--full sail grad
You got a job with your paper? You learned something that you really wouldn't have found out yourself? Give us something... Was it worth it? Really really worth it?
Are you smart?shortyc said:
You got a job with your paper? You learned something that you really wouldn't have found out yourself? Give us something... Was it worth it? Really really worth it?
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Babycham
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I went to IAR 2 years ago its a good school, I heard they got some new equipments now, they also have pro tools and they also teaching music production also. www.audioschool.com the school is in NYC
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
How much did the schools cost you guys?
What job do you have now?
What job do you have now?
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cat-eggs
New member
thanks for the information.
I too am curious as to the kind of carreers your educations have helped you to obtain.
I too am curious as to the kind of carreers your educations have helped you to obtain.
DavidK
New member
Tex, I gotta ask: What job do YOU have now? I am not being sarcastic, I truly want to know what you do for a living, why you are against formal training,etc.TexRoadkill said:
I went to Music school, I am hardly an engineer. I make records, play concerts, tour, and am a music Prof. at a college.
Krakit
Rzzzzz!
cat-eggs said:
Is CMA still on 7th and 26th? I graduated from there (class of '85)
.It was a great school in its day, don't know what its like now.
I dont' regret going, not one itty bitty bit.
Carl
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
"Tex, I gotta ask: What job do YOU have now? I am not being sarcastic, I truly want to know what you do for a living, why you are against formal training,etc. "
I actually do have a semi formal education. I went to a few colleges and took audio, midi and film classes. I always found that classes are usually paced for the lowest common denominator and any motivated person could learn much faster on their own or on the job.
After I got bored with school I did internships at a few TV stations and volunteered to work sound and lights for clubs and low budget movies. I eventually worked in many capacities for many different types of productions. I am the proverbial Jack of all Trades when it comes to production and I am definately master of none.
From 1990 - 2000 I worked on countless comercials, TV movies, films and concerts. I have had big jobs on small productions and small jobs on big productions. I worked as a coordinator on the film MarsAttacks and designed and built staging and lighting systems for the Lalapalooza tour with Smashing Pumkins and Beastie Boys. Most real world production work is far less glamorous and worthy of mention.
Since the birth of my daughter 2 years ago I decided to get a job that didnt require travel, had a steady income, benefits etc. I was also tired of no insurance, 6 day work weeks 12 - 30 hour shifts and going weeks without income. So now I sell engineering software. Usually engineers sell engineering software but if you can study, learn the lingo and do your job you can do just about anything.
But I learned the secret to being sucessfull in ANY aspect of show business and I will share that with all of you for free. Ready....
It's MONEY.
People who are successfull in the technical arts own the equipment. It is that simple. If you want to be a recording engineer than buy the gear and start the studio. If you want to do film sound then buy a shotgun mic and a nagra. Why invest in a school if you can invest in your business?
If you want to learn there are companies that will pay you, very little, to learn while you work for them. To me that is better than paying and you get real world experience and CONTACTS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS.
If you are going to spend money buy equipment or produce a demo in a real studio to show your stuff. When you have graduated from school you will live or die by your demo.
You dont need school to produce a demo.
If anybody wants tips on how to get internships and find companies to train with let me know.
I actually do have a semi formal education. I went to a few colleges and took audio, midi and film classes. I always found that classes are usually paced for the lowest common denominator and any motivated person could learn much faster on their own or on the job.
After I got bored with school I did internships at a few TV stations and volunteered to work sound and lights for clubs and low budget movies. I eventually worked in many capacities for many different types of productions. I am the proverbial Jack of all Trades when it comes to production and I am definately master of none.
From 1990 - 2000 I worked on countless comercials, TV movies, films and concerts. I have had big jobs on small productions and small jobs on big productions. I worked as a coordinator on the film MarsAttacks and designed and built staging and lighting systems for the Lalapalooza tour with Smashing Pumkins and Beastie Boys. Most real world production work is far less glamorous and worthy of mention.
Since the birth of my daughter 2 years ago I decided to get a job that didnt require travel, had a steady income, benefits etc. I was also tired of no insurance, 6 day work weeks 12 - 30 hour shifts and going weeks without income. So now I sell engineering software. Usually engineers sell engineering software but if you can study, learn the lingo and do your job you can do just about anything.
But I learned the secret to being sucessfull in ANY aspect of show business and I will share that with all of you for free. Ready....
It's MONEY.
People who are successfull in the technical arts own the equipment. It is that simple. If you want to be a recording engineer than buy the gear and start the studio. If you want to do film sound then buy a shotgun mic and a nagra. Why invest in a school if you can invest in your business?
If you want to learn there are companies that will pay you, very little, to learn while you work for them. To me that is better than paying and you get real world experience and CONTACTS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS.
If you are going to spend money buy equipment or produce a demo in a real studio to show your stuff. When you have graduated from school you will live or die by your demo.
You dont need school to produce a demo.
If anybody wants tips on how to get internships and find companies to train with let me know.
PapillonIrl
New member
I imagine if one worked under a great artist from any field, one would benifit from that artists talent and experience.
But how many potentially great artists end up working under mediocre people ?
I think Cats should take your advice about getting an internship, but get his training first. It only stands to reason that there is a better chance of working under someone really talented if he follow this path, plus he will have whatever firendships/contacts made during the course.
Any dickhead with money can setup a studio and call themselves a producer.
pAp
But how many potentially great artists end up working under mediocre people ?
I think Cats should take your advice about getting an internship, but get his training first. It only stands to reason that there is a better chance of working under someone really talented if he follow this path, plus he will have whatever firendships/contacts made during the course.
Any dickhead with money can setup a studio and call themselves a producer.
pAp
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
"Any dickhead with money can setup a studio and call themselves a producer."
Welcome to show business.
Welcome to show business.
PapillonIrl
New member
TexRoadkill said:
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hang on...that's actually pretty depressing...
pAp
DavidK
New member
You have posted some great stuff, Tex. You also have a bunch of experience, which is admirable. I will not debate, rather point out a few things:TexRoadkill said:
I have worked in many studios. Some had smart guys, some had dorks. Some had great engineers and producers, some put out shit just to make a buck.
I would hope that folks like pAp are interested in learning an artform, not making bucks. If making money is a goal in music, run like hell. I am not rich, but I can play with bands like YES and ELO and eek out a living.
There are many jobs in music. pAp and others might decide to teach, tour, make CDs for deaf folks, record afghan folk music, write the next hit song. An education is not going to hurt. It makes people study, focus, learn different things.
Tex does bring up interesting points, hopefully some others will chime in.
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poo
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Yo,
Yea, I just finished a semester of recording school and I learned nothing. I've been off since January and I've learnt more at home and gigging every weekend.
I'm gonna go to schoool for welding or something!
that way i'll be able to do what I love and have some extra cash.
And who knows, I may just get somewhere in the industry if I work hard. The best way I think you can become a good engineer is if you LISTEN to plenty of good mixes, and PRACTICE what you hear. Then you'll get results!
peace
Yea, I just finished a semester of recording school and I learned nothing. I've been off since January and I've learnt more at home and gigging every weekend.
I'm gonna go to schoool for welding or something!
that way i'll be able to do what I love and have some extra cash.And who knows, I may just get somewhere in the industry if I work hard. The best way I think you can become a good engineer is if you LISTEN to plenty of good mixes, and PRACTICE what you hear. Then you'll get results!
peace
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
"hang on...that's actually pretty depressing... "
Yes it is.
If you truly believe in music or recording as an artform than never rely on it as your main source of income. As soon as you become dependant on it you have to work for anybody who will help pay the bills.
I was/am an industry whore and 99% of the people who have to make a living in it are. There is no shame in that, it is a profession. But people who actually work in it usually scoff at the idea of art. It's a business and very few clients can afford art. Sure they want art but on a kmart budget and a 2 day turnaround.
If you believe that you are gifted than dont worry about making a living with it because your genius will be discovered and all your problems will be solved.
Otherwise plan on cutting soundtracks for lotto commercials and demo's for any jerk who can pay your hourly rate, bitch
Yes it is.
If you truly believe in music or recording as an artform than never rely on it as your main source of income. As soon as you become dependant on it you have to work for anybody who will help pay the bills.
I was/am an industry whore and 99% of the people who have to make a living in it are. There is no shame in that, it is a profession. But people who actually work in it usually scoff at the idea of art. It's a business and very few clients can afford art. Sure they want art but on a kmart budget and a 2 day turnaround.
If you believe that you are gifted than dont worry about making a living with it because your genius will be discovered and all your problems will be solved.
Otherwise plan on cutting soundtracks for lotto commercials and demo's for any jerk who can pay your hourly rate, bitch
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poo
New member
Sad, but VERY true. That's why i'm gonna be a pipefitter!
laj35
New member
TexRoadkill said:
Hey Tex, I've been also considering schooling for engineering, started a thread just like this one and got very a very similar response and have yet to really decide where I want to be in a year or two. I'd REALLY appreciate it if you hit me up with some ideas/tips on where I can find a place that would train me, money not really being an issue at all, but prefferably somehwere cool, a city and not Seattle as I plan on only being here no more than another year or so, gotta keep movin. Thanks man!
Laj
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Babycham
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Don't go to fullsail, the money you going to pay you could buy a damn studio and learn everything yourself. I heard the students at fullsail only know equipments, but they don't know how to use them. The best thing is to go visit the schools first. You just might end up like a fullsail student and thats not a good thing. lmao