Eleven Rack vs M-Audio and Presonus NEWB

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Me and my drummer want to make a demo of our songs by ourself.
I'm still living in an appartment, noise is not really a problem for mixing and listening to music but tracking a real drum and guitar is!
So we want to go with amp modeling and V-drum (drumagog, Sup. drummer)

I saw lots of different options, M-audio or presonus sound cards with line 6 pod, or plugins (amplitube 3, guitar rig) for guitars.
Or go with the toneport UX8 or the eleven rack (looks pretty good for that price!)

My priority is to get the best guitar sound I can have with amp simulation
forhigh gain amps (from JCM 800 to mesa's)
We have access to a great mic for vocal (neuman) and I ahve KRK rokit 6.

what would be my best option?

Thanks all!


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not being a smart arse but id download as many demo's as possible and see what you like..

most folks here will answer with their favourite plug ins and to be honest they might not be yours...

I have amplitube 3 and TH-1, I love them but I only play guitar for fun...eleven has the advantage of running its software of DSP, I have a few DSP cards for effects and in my mind they sound better..or at least better than what comes with DAW bundles..so that might be something to consider

Drums, well there's a ton out there..I havent tried them all..I have superior but only with the kit it comes with...it sounds brilliant when programming it but somehow is a little sparse in a mix...that could be my fault but Im actually not too bad at programming drums..in hindsight BFD2 would have been my choice..it has small expansion packs of just toms, snares and kicks and they sound brilliant...but thats not to count out steven slate, addictive, ocean way......see what I mean :)

I also own a pod 2 and the entire pod farm software with packs...Im afraid as much as I like it it does sound dated..I like the vocals preamps and some of the effects in the software but its showing its teeth elsewhere..the pod 2 is for blasting when I cant be arsed switching on the PC...its not very good for recording Id say :o


see all my opinions..Im sure more will be along with theirs...dont forget to demo Guitar rig 4 and the softube stuff can be demoed..its also very good
 
webstersp said:
I saw lots of different options, M-audio or presonus sound cards with line 6 pod, or plugins (amplitube 3, guitar rig) for guitars.
Or go with the toneport UX8 or the eleven rack (looks pretty good for that price!)
My priority is to get the best guitar sound I can have with amp simulation
forhigh gain amps (from JCM 800 to mesa's)
We have access to a great mic for vocal (neuman) and I ahve KRK rokit 6.
what would be my best option?
Thanks all!
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My Guitar player loves his pod x3. He uses it for live and studio. Not only is it hardware but it acts as a vst when you download the freed updates. He uses with multiple guitars. He has a variaxe. He loves it because no noise, his or feed back. He has done a pretty good job mic gtr amps but he said a variaxe pod combination stays in the digital relm the whole time. So that is what I would suggest, but I am not a guitar player so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I would say you should check it out at your local music store and make a decision for yourself.

If you play live (portable) as well, something like the pod x3 will be very versatile and budget consious IMHO for studio and for live.
 
Anyonne tried pod x3 and eleven rack?
Pod x3 seems to have lot more effects, amps and options but
sometimes we think quantity is better than quality!

The elven rack doesn't have the dual amp effect but if it sounds better and closer to a real amp, then this is waht I'm lookign for.

Here's a track I found on AXE FX and Eleven Rack forums. The guy recorded the same song with both unit and one version with both. For taht price range the Eleven Rack soudn great on taht one! (Axe-fx is out of my price range)

http://soundcloud.com/mouzer/sets/clips
 
webstersp said:
The elven rack doesn't have the dual amp effect but if it sounds better and closer to a real amp, then this is waht I'm lookign for.
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For the price of that fake sounding amp simulator you could get an all tube amp, an attenuator, and a speaker simulator. Why use some digital toy when you can use the real thing?
 
because of the hundreds of options/sounds/flexibility it gives, i doubt all but the best ear would be able to differentiate in the hands of someone who knows how to use it

toy my arse:)

but of course it should be a real tube amp, and only record on tape, and why did dylan go electric...id go further, you should only record a lute onto wax cylinders in black and white :D
 
kcearl said:
because of the hundreds of options/sounds/flexibility it gives, i doubt all but the best ear would be able to differentiate in the hands of someone who knows how to use it
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You're right the options are endless. You can have: 10101010, or 01010101, or 001101001, or........

kcearl said:
but of course it should be a real tube amp
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Isn't that exactly what those digital toys are trying to replicate? It's like choosing between a real woman and an inflatable doll.
 
ocnor said:
You're right the options are endless. You can have: 10101010, or 01010101, or 001101001, or........
Isn't that exactly what those digital toys are trying to replicate? It's like choosing between a real woman and an inflatable doll.
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So you are against progress and that progress is not as good? (rhetorical question) If you used that mentality then, you should not listen to recorded music, it is an inflatable doll, you should go to the show and see those people live anything less is a toy. What are recording engineers trying to replicate anyway? (rhetorical question) Sound recording is just a cheap imitation of the real things. Why would anyone want to play an electric guitar, it is not natural it is a replication then distortion of the real thing (acoustic).
If your complaint is about 1010001 then we should all be listening to records through tube amps, solid state amps are just a cheap imitation of the real thing. Buhbye mp3 and cd. You are just a cheap imitation of the real thing, tube amps.

You know the newest versions of inflatable dolls have heater, massagers, vocal processor, sleep number (lol) and cost much less than the real thing, they don't complain, get pregnant etc. A lot of advantages, and if you think about Stepford wives maybe being in our future, maybe that is the way things will go. Of course you keep the real thing around, but not very nessisary :)

I would say digital and solid state are as acurrate representation of sound than anything available. It is tubes that distorts and colors the sound, now in this case that is a good thing but it will be only a matter of time before an exact replica and model of the guitar will be available. Look at the variaxe and podx3 combo, they sound spectacular with no line noise, pops, clicks, gound loop noise. It may not be perfect but most people cannot tell and when it is burried in the mix you definatly can't tell. At least I can't and it is available to the masses.
 
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r1chard said:
So you are against progress and that progress is not as good? (rhetorical question) If you used that mentality then, you should not listen to recorded music, it is an inflatable doll, you should go to the show and see those people live anything less is a toy. What are recording engineers trying to replicate anyway? (rhetorical question) Sound recording is just a cheap imitation of the real things. Why would anyone want to play an electric guitar, it is not natural it is a replication then distortion of the real thing (acoustic).
If your complaint is about 1010001 then we should all be listening to records through tube amps, solid state amps are just a cheap imitation of the real thing. Buhbye mp3 and cd. You are just a cheap imitation of the real thing, tube amps.
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Your incoherent rambling and apples to oranges comparisons lead me to believe that you must have just escaped from Happy Acres.

r1chard said:
You know the newest versions of inflatable dolls have heater, massagers, vocal processor, sleep number (lol) and cost much less than the real thing, they don't complain, get pregnant etc. A lot of advantages, and if you think about Stepford wives maybe being in our future, maybe that is the way things will go. Of course you keep the real thing around, but not very nessisary :)
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Why am I not surprised that you have intimate and detailed knowledge of the inner workings of love dolls? You sound as if you actually prefer them to women.


r1chard said:
I would say digital and solid state are as acurrate representation of sound than anything available. It is tubes that distorts and colors the sound, now in this case that is a good thing but it will be only a matter of time before an exact replica and model of the guitar will be available. Look at the variaxe and podx3 combo, they sound spectacular with no line noise, pops, clicks, gound loop noise. It may not be perfect but most people cannot tell and when it is burried in the mix you definatly can't tell. At least I can't and it is available to the masses.
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The fact that you actually believe that the variaxe and podx3 sound "spectacular" is frightening and extremely sad.
 
ocnor said:
You're right the options are endless. You can have: 10101010, or 01010101, or 001101001, or........



Isn't that exactly what those digital toys are trying to replicate? It's like choosing between a real woman and an inflatable doll.
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bullshit...you wouldnt even be able to tell have the tracks in the MP3 clinic done by guitar rig or whatever let alone what a professional could do..though i take it you're used to inflatable wimmin so i wont argue that part of your expertise :laughings:

and i suppose you missed this part


"I'm still living in an apartment, noise is not really a problem for mixing and listening to music but tracking a real drum and guitar is!"


genius :rolleyes:
 
kcearl said:
and i suppose you missed this part


"I'm still living in an apartment, noise is not really a problem for mixing and listening to music but tracking a real drum and guitar is!"
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Nope! I didn't miss that which is why I suggested what I did. Apparently you have failed to comprehend my posts.
 
The Roalnd looks rpetty nice but a bit out of my budget since i would need to buy a sound car to go with it!

I guess that I'll give a try to the eleven rack. With pro tools in it, can act as a sound card also so it is pretty hard to beat for that price range! I may end up using it live also if it sounds great!

But I may need to try the line 6 pod x3 and the eleven rack to hear the difference between them.

Or maybe this video is enough to convince me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jfEjY_75Io&feature=related
 
ocnor said:
Your incoherent rambling and apples to oranges comparisons lead me to believe that you must have just escaped from Happy Acres.

I was just making a point, that old people (usually 50 and above) often have no concept of moving forward and are stuck in the past no being able to move into the digital age. They often tend to not have a sense of humor because they are crochety

Why am I not surprised that you have intimate and detailed knowledge of the inner workings of love dolls? You sound as if you actually prefer them to women.

It was supposed to be a joke, but obviously you did not get it.

The fact that you actually believe that the variaxe and podx3 sound "spectacular" is frightening and extremely sad.
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Well, I think they do. And they have no noise, used live the sound man does not have to worry about feedback or noise. In the studio they are stone quiet. I play the guitar very little and depend on what other players think and most think they sound pretty good. If they didn't that company would have stopped producing them and they would be bankrupt if their signal processing was not great to top notch. Many gtr players that I have met like it. There was a day when guitar signal processing was terrible, GSP5 was pretty bad and I could understand why any gtr player would want a processor or amp with a tube it in. It is not that way anymore. I suspect as modeling gets better, so will the variaxe. I know that becuase I can see the future of music is 1's and 0's. You record a guitar to cd, how you get the 1s and 0s on there is all up to the individual. IMHO
 
r1chard said:
I was just making a point, that old people (usually 50 and above) often have no concept of moving forward and are stuck in the past no being able to move into the digital age. They often tend to not have a sense of humor because they are crochety
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I'm not stuck in the past and I've actually owned a few different amp modelers as well as digital effects units. As much as amp modelers have advanced they still cannot capture the 3 dimensional tone and feel of a real amp. I truly wish that they could. Maybe some day they will.
 
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