Effects envelopes

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Hello all,

I hope everyone's tracking has been going as well as mine. Learning a lot but still a lot to learn.

Question....If I have a rack of effects on a track, Will CE allow me to pick just one effect in the rack and evelope it alone?

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Rusty K
 
Is this question that lame?

Putting it another way....can I isolate one particular plug/effect in my rack line-up to turn on and off with my effects envelope?

Rusty K
 
hmmm i don't know if you can do that or not. one option you coudl try is to copy that track and put it into a new track. Then aplly the one effect that you want and envelope it. Finally mis the two back together when you get the sound you want. that would be more conveinant if you could do it your way though.. i'm ust not sure how
 
minofifa,

Thanks...don't know why I didn't think of that. I'll just copy and "print" then reopen it.

I've found that there is usually a way to get things done with CE/Audition though it sometime takes me awhile to get there!

Rusty K
 
"Learning to do..."

That's for sure- I think if you're resouceful enough you can figure a way to do most of the basic recording "chores" you might need to do in CEP. I'm sure that when I've climbed a little farther up my learning curve (pant...) I'll be shaking my head at what I'd been doing previously to get "that" done!

Rog.
 
You know, I've never actually used the FX envelopes in CEP. Does it just reduce the output % of the effect on whatever track you've got the plug running on? and does it work for bussed FX?
 
chrisharris,

You know I'm not sure either. I have taken it to "0" and that seemed to work ok. In the effects rack don't the fader bars for each plug also relate to the % of that effect you want? I've never figured out just exactly how those faders work when you have several effects in the chain.

Rusty K
 
Rusty K said:
chrisharris,

You know I'm not sure either. I have taken it to "0" and that seemed to work ok. In the effects rack don't the fader bars for each plug also relate to the % of that effect you want? I've never figured out just exactly how those faders work when you have several effects in the chain.

Rusty K
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Good place to ask a question here- bear with me for a sec: I haven't gotten that far just yet in CEP, or any other app for that matter, but can those faders in the effects rack you're talking about be related to AUX Send knobs on the channel strip of a Mackie mixer (for instance)? If you chain effects together into a channel AUX or insert, you have to manage the output of each effect individually, as they feed into the channel.

There are two (I think...) of those AUX Sends in a channel on that board- then there is a master insert section on the board. Does CEP use a similar "signal flow"?

>How much does the layout in CEP resemble an analog board as far as this signal flow idea? Thanks for your patience!...

Rog.
 
I hope somebody answers that, thwackless. I've never jacked around with them, b/c I tend to just adjust the effect to my liking in the properties section, but it would be VERY convenient to bus reverbs at different levels on different tracks...same verb on all vocals for example, with more of it on the backups, etc.

Don't feel bad, btw...I've used the program for years, but I just recently got a computer that can handle real time FX, so I don't know the answers either, lol.
 
thwackless,

I am an old analog player but I have not a clue about analog mixing. I would never have gotten into mixing/engineering sound if it weren't for digital...go figure!

As far as the "rack"....like chrisharris I don't mess with the faders there. I did notice that whenever you start stacking only the last fader in the row is at 100% the rest are at zero. I don't quite get that....does it just mean that the last fader is the master and controls the percentage of all the rack? I'm still trying find the easiest way to isolate one plug in a rack with an envelope or a fader whatever.

dobro would probably know.

Rusty K
 
Well, I'm remiss in asking, perhaps, before I get in some more time with my own "Rack" here, but it just seems a sensible question... in the non-virtual world! I'm going back in...but, see if this makes sense (heh):

When I go to Effects in CEP, I get into a window (Properties...?) which lets me choose parameters of the chosen effect; including volume, dry/wet, that kind of thing. I haven't spent enough time with this Rack yet, but I'd guess those faders would be relative volumes between the "chained" effects (i.e, Rack) going into a particular channel's insert.

Whatever you set an individual effect at (in Properties window) volume/gain-wise, becomes "0db" on you Rack fader, since we're now talking about how much of the effect you tweaked in Properties getting to go into the track. I'm just thinking this makes sense...

So, in Properties you get the actual 'mix' of your individual effect, and in the Rack you adjust the amount of it (%) you want for your track. I'll bet that last fader represents the Aux send or 'FX' knob on a channel strip, adding the total of the individual chained effects (Rack) to your channel. Pretty analog, unless I'm totally wrong. Yack...

Rog.

P.S. The Mackie board I mentioned has 4 Aux sends in a channel strip. In case anyone cares.
 
Ok....so say you have one effect in the rack. The rack fader shows 100%. When another effect is added the fader on the first effect in the chain goes to zero, but let's say you and dropped the fader down to 50% on the first effect before you added the second. Where does the fader for the first effect read now?

And please don't forget my original question. If I had a rack say with compression and verb on a track and I wanted to take the verb off the track in a certain passage, how do I do that with CEP?

I've already got a solution (copy and print the track) that will work but it certainly isn't the way an automated board would work. This could be one of those things to put on a wish list for future versions.

Rusty K
 
just try it, why dont you?

Im going to today okay, ill hold everyones hand and see what the effects envelope does.

RonC
 
You don't know either? We're a fine group of Cool Edit Pro users.

Rog...
 
I personally have never needed to use the fx envelopes but i see no method to differentiate the wet/dry of which effect you want to change. read the manual:

Show FX Parameter Envelopes
With this command checked, Effects Envelopes appear when you apply certain Adobe® AuditionTM effects to a track, such as Pan/Expand, Dynamic EQ, and Dynamic Delay. When you add one of these effects, there will be an “Automated” checkbox in its settings dialog. If it’s checked, an envelope for that setting will appear. (For example, Dynamic Delay lets you vary Delay and Feedback over time with these envelopes.)



A wave block with FX Parameter Envelopes (in this case, Dynamic Delay) displayed


To change FX Parameter envelopes, there must be a checkmark next to “Enable Envelope Editing” (further down the View menu).


If View > Status Bar > Data Under Cursor is checkmarked, you’ll be able to get visual feedback as you manipulate an envelope’s control point.



RonC
 
Let me put this a whole different way....

I don't think that CEP provides a way to "automate" the effects envelope of one effect in a rack other than "printing" the track with all the effects in the rack except the one you want to envelope. This could be a wrong assumption...?

Having said that rpc9943, I'm running CEP 2.0. So all the functions of the program are not available for non AA Direct X plugins?

There is precious little concerning "serial "vs "parallel" settings in the manual or did I not look hard enough?

Rusty K
 
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