Edward the Compressor, by Ted Fletcher

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regebro said:
He should have bought the whole shebang, including Ted Fletcher himself. :)
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Now your cooking! I did buy the whole thing, including the trademark to his name. I have all the papers signed and sealed by the liquidators. Ted Fletcher can't use Ted Fletcher on any box he builds, but we will leave it in the lawyers hands as this is about to be broke wide open.

As for Edward, here is what George Schilling said about the unit in the latest Resolution Magazine Review: "Overly complicated operation; all modes fairly similar sonically; lacks magic of vintage units. However, this does not make it a bad compressor, and in many respects it is everything the Joemeek SC4 was. The 1176 setting uses a multistage release and a 'tailored' side-chain response to copy this model, but of course lacks the originals FET circuit. Fletcher, err, confesses[!] to hating the sound of the 1176's distortion, and although undoubtedly the attack and release characteristics have been faithfully copied, this really doesn't sound much like an 1176."

Well, it was publicized that I was redoing the SC2 and was incorporating the SC3 and SC4 into the new unit, so TF Pro took my idea and ran with it a bit quicker than I could because he used all the old designs that I own. I am doing all new designs, and that takes time.

Fair, or unfair...This will be left to the Federal Judge now. I am just protecting what I paid a lot of money for...
 
Alan,

If I understand correctly, the purchase of the Joe Meek business, included (or gives you/PMI ownership of), all the Trade Marks, the names, the circuit designs and anything else that was deemed as being crucial to, part of or owned by Joe Meek, the business.

If this is correct, then legally Ted Fletcher can't "design" and sell anything that even vaguely resembles, either in it's circuitry or cosmetic appearance, any Joe Meek product, although on the face of it TF obviously thinks otherwise.

From first hand experience I see a parallel to the snotty nosed arrogance that continues to pervade certain sections of automotive design in the UK.



:cool:
 
I really wish this stuff would stay private or in the courts and not on the boards. My only suggestion that I'll make pubicly on this subject would be to attempt to reach a mediated agreement rather than proceed through the courts. Cases like this often blow up on the plaintiff in ways they never imagined.

As to this review from the UK magazine Alan quotes, I find the TFpro Edward the Compressor is fairly easy to operate. It sounds pretty damn musical. The Transient Release control is super cool.

To me, the EC possesses its own sound. It appears to be well made. I don't think it sounds spot on like the compressors it seeks to emulate. But, I like the flavors a lot which don't remind me of anything at all Joemeek.

And, I never really liked Joemeek. You'll notice we've never published a review of a single Joemeek item. Other than the SC2 or the big recording channel (where I didn't like the pre part of the equation but liked the other parts), I didn't really think the products worthy of the space. I'd like to see the new owner of the UK trademark, AMH Sales, Inc., put out a first rate Joemeek branded product.

I was suspicious of the Edward the Compressor. But, it turns out to be a good solid product.

Steve
www.mojopie.com
 
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alanhyatt said:
Now your cooking! I did buy the whole thing, including the trademark to his name.
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Well, then it's clear. Most of his products, with the exception being the Edward, is in breach of the copyright to the designs that you in that case own.

The Edward would be a more problematic case, since this is not a simply reproduction of a design. You would need to have a patent, or a circuit design that is so unique that just that design detail can be considered "art".

I can only hope this thing clears up in a way that enables you to make and sell joemeek gear, and Ted Fletcher to continue to design other gear.
 
Are they really $1300? At that price might as well get a Distressor.
 
The Distressor is one channel. The Edward the Compressor is two channel. The two channels with the Width control along with Transient Release give the unit its place.
 
Well, I only see one set of controls so that should tell something.
 
ausrock said:
Alan,

If I understand correctly, the purchase of the Joe Meek business, included (or gives you/PMI ownership of), all the Trade Marks, the names, the circuit designs and anything else that was deemed as being crucial to, part of or owned by Joe Meek, the business.

If this is correct, then legally Ted Fletcher can't "design" and sell anything that even vaguely resembles, either in it's circuitry or cosmetic appearance, any Joe Meek product, although on the face of it TF obviously thinks otherwise.

From first hand experience I see a parallel to the snotty nosed arrogance that continues to pervade certain sections of automotive design in the UK.



:cool:
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This is correct Ausrock...I own everything. Authorized, signed and sealed by the Lawyers. I even own Ted Fletchers Signature, so yes, he is not allowed to do what he is doing.

Even people who advertise TFPro in the magazines and on web sites are getting letters from our lawyers to stop the infringements.

As we said before, we will defend our trademarks and dress rights because we paid for it, and we own it. Ford can't build a Corvette, and Chevy can't build a Mustang. British Leyland can't build the Mini anymore, and TFPro can't do what he is doing. He will be sued, and we will sue any and all infringements to protect what is ours. Ted Fletcher has to get over it already and move on. So to make sure of this, we are suing.

As for Osraves comments, they are not worth responding to. If I do, it will only turn ugly. I am fine with what he thinks he knows.
 
Oz, your comments are unfair to the "old" Meeks IMO.

Jack Joseph Puig regularly tracks vocals with a VC2 that have
sold MILLIONS of records (Black Crowes for example).
He might know "something" about sound.

Alledged :D ripping off is why I won't buy;

Behringer (Mackie)
CAD (Stephen Paul)

And now...

TF Pro.

Chris
 
At a Boy Chris....

While we are at it, I guess you can add Chuck Ainley, Joe Chicarelli, The Dust Brothers, Bill Snea, The Record Plant, Los Lobos, Take Six, Herbie Hancock, Kalique Glover, Jason Miles, Ted Perlman, Doug Oberkercher, Tony Platt, BECK, Hanson, The Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, Jellyfish, Barry Rudolph, Mark Plati - Producer, John Jurgenson-Elton John, Black Crows, David Bowie
Presidents Of The United States, Dire Straits, Jerry Finn-Engineer/Mixer, Dave Way-Engineer/Mixer

Now the list keep going, but maybe Osraves has a lot more going for him then these guys do, or maybe Ozraves ears and skills are just better....
 
Oz, please understand that my comments aren't leveled at you personally. I just have strong feelings about certain kinds of business conduct like this.

Alan, sorry but that list isn't convincing enough! :D

Chris
 
chessparov said:
Oz, your comments are unfair to the "old" Meeks IMO.

Jack Joseph Puig regularly tracks vocals with a VC2 that have
sold MILLIONS of records (Black Crowes for example).
He might know "something" about sound.

Alledged :D ripping off is why I won't buy;

Behringer (Mackie)
CAD (Stephen Paul)

And now...

TF Pro.

Chris
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Excuse me. Where are you getting this stuff? If I don't like something or did not like something then that's my right. More than a few people share my opinion about the cheaper Joemeek stuff.

If you like it, then buy it. I felt like I could spend my money a lot better elsewhere.

You've used a very important word: "Alleged." People have asked Alan Hyatt to actually show some sort of evidence or documentation that AMH Sales, Inc., owns something more than the "Joemeek" UK trademark. He's not done it and AMH Sales, Inc., hasn't done it either. So my position is that this "alleged" stuff belongs in the UK courts or in private hate mail between AMH Sales, Inc., and TFpro.

But, you're putting form over substance here are you not? You say I'm selling this old Joemeek gear short. But, the guy at TFpro is the man that put together that old gear. Aren't you selling the man short? Your comments remind me of people in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and even today who don't understand that Leo Fender is G&L and hasn't been associated with the Fender corporation since the mid 1960s.

Steve
www.mojopie.com
 
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alanhyatt said:
At a Boy Chris....

While we are at it, I guess you can add Chuck Ainley, Joe Chicarelli, The Dust Brothers, Bill Snea, The Record Plant, Los Lobos, Take Six, Herbie Hancock, Kalique Glover, Jason Miles, Ted Perlman, Doug Oberkercher, Tony Platt, BECK, Hanson, The Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, Jellyfish, Barry Rudolph, Mark Plati - Producer, John Jurgenson-Elton John, Black Crows, David Bowie
Presidents Of The United States, Dire Straits, Jerry Finn-Engineer/Mixer, Dave Way-Engineer/Mixer

Now the list keep going, but maybe Osraves has a lot more going for him then these guys do, or maybe Ozraves ears and skills are just better....
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If my ears suck, then I guess I should withdraw my favorable reviews of the C1, B1 and VTB1 as they might sound crappy given that my ears liked them.

Anyway, aren't you talking about the expensive Joemeek units which I said I liked??? You need to be fair rather than resorting to your knee jerk bullying thing. It's really extremely bad form to always try to smack down someone who doesn't love every single thing about the gear imported by AMH Sales, Inc.

Anyhow, the same ears, which you think are shitty even though they liked your C1, B1 and VTB1, really like this TFpro Edward the Compressor. It's in a different category in terms of build quality and sound quality than your products which I've reviewed. However, it also costs a hell of a lot more so it better be on a higher level.

Steve
www.mojopie.com
 
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Oz, let's just say the evidence presented was compelling, to say the least, regardless of how acquired. (most 'net based)

I'm sure Alan doesn't think your "ear" ability is poor. On the contrary (as you know), they're
surely those of a talented musician/recordist.

It's reasonable, however, to expect the ear and judgement of a top AE to be superior.
As your ability is far above mine, in the same fashion. Your passion for gear investigation is admirable. I hope you and Alan will get along
better in the future, partly as you both share
that facet, and he is making the effort to help create innovative products.

Chris

My typing is "alleged" to be less than spelling skill-especially when my cat jumps on the keyboard. :)
 
chessparov said:
Oz, let's just say the evidence presented was compelling, to say the least, regardless of how acquired. (most 'net based)
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What evidence??? The only evidence online of AMH Sales, Inc., owning anything in regard to Joemeek is the record at the UK trademark office showing that AMH Sales, Inc., now owns the name Joemeek.

There is no evidence online of AMH Sales, Inc., owning anything else.

More than a few people have asked Alan Hyatt to post something (other than one of his diatribes) indicating what it is that AMH Sales, Inc., actually bought. He's never done it. I believe all this goes back to February of this year with polite inquiries here and there to Alan to which he's never responded. In fact, I believe Alan's earliest post on the subject indicated he only owned the UK trademark.
 
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alanhyatt said:
Ford can't build a Corvette, and Chevy can't build a Mustang. British Leyland can't build the Mini anymore, and TFPro can't do what he is doing.
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Actually I think you'll find that British Leyland can't build the Mini anymore because they ceased trading over a decade ago. Difficult to make things if you don't exist. :rolleyes:
 
Hey, I didnt start this post for all this shebanging and bullshiznit.

Anyway, anyone tried the ProVLA optical compressor? How is it compared to the high end Meeks? I want a good optical, and soon. Something fat and colorful. And cheap.
Yeah, definately cheap.
New ProVla for $309... not bad.
 
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