drums/vocals

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Hey Sam,

LOve the vocal track!! Thick, intense, sincere and just eery enough:cool:

The vast majority of your shit seems to have an "epic" countenance to it and this tune is no exception. Sam=worthy dowload.

I build my drums in Vegas using various loops and some one hit samples. Please give it up and divulge the in's and out's and how's and why's of your acid (drums that is) experiment.


Peace,

Theron.
 
KILLER!

i listened @128 lo fi it was good, @ 128 hi fi it was better, @vbr it was smokin! I really like the song! vox sound good, drums sound good! i'm sure it could be better but that is beyond my
skill level. from now on i bounce @ variable bit rate! later, Tim
 
Sam, this freakin rocks. Drums sound great. Maybe Jamal will beg Sam to do his drum tracks, now ;)

Great rhythm... reminds me of that swing song in "The Mask" where Jim Carrey dances w/Cameron Diaz.

LUV that march rhythm you start... "suck lick-her"! Good melody, BTW. "Darker things in life than you have seen... turn on the TV. I'm afraid".

And that super-fast vibrato FX on guitar is cool... it's one of those "Sam" sounds.

It's great to get a fast, adrenaline pumping toon from Sam... like a small nugget of silver in your ears.

Mix sounds great... great recording, too. Maybe a more up-front vocal... more presence, but a similar level? Something to put contrast between your guitars and voice. Small detail, maybe.

Hopefully more later... I still want to try vocals on that other one of yours... have a family commitment that just came up... hopefully will get time, anyway.


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This is the way I like to hear drums. Wide, upfront, and large in the mix. vocals sound good too. This tune rocks quite a bit more than your other stuff, and I like it much better for that fact. the fact that your gtr never gets into a normal like mode is pretty unique, even though I kept wanting to hear a vanhalen rip come flying from left to right. But I'm pretty much obsessed with vanhalen to the exclusion of much anything else, to my demise, even though I have no ability to come close to match that level of playing/writing.

I got Acid when it first came out, played with it a couple of nights, and haven't really touched it in years. It seemed kinda laborious to me, but you certainly found a good way to use it. Kudos for that.

Yeah....I like the rockin' stuff best, no matter if it is moody, depressed music or not!:p
 
shit!!!! no cellos!!! what the.....ffff


synths in the shop?:D

nice gtr tunage, dude.
 
oh...my one question..

are you cussing someone out at 1:50?:eek:
 
This one sounds better each time I listen to it. I love the chopping and changing that the song goes through - you're a pretty musical guy - always coming up with interesting ideas. If you ever meet your George Martin, we'll all be eatin' your dust as you motor off toward the horizon of fame at speed. :D I like the way you layer voices and guitars - good work. The sound is great - vocals clear, guitars clear, drums clear. The bass is a low rumble on this one - is that what you want, or would you like more definition on the bass? It doesn't sound lousy, it sounds fine, but it isn't quite as defined as everything else in the mix.

Well sung too. Good work. This one's a keeper, yeah?
 
Nice nice nice mix (to say the least). Very lively drums for sampled ones. Awesome toms. Damn my ones are in SHAME now. The guitar sounds like it's not as loud as usual, but the level seems to sound just about right. Well balanced. And the vocals are just great. I'm not an expert on vocals but you really have done them well. The hihats sounded a bit strange when the song sped up. Like there was some kind of weird watery effect on them. Maybe it was due to some limiting or something, though. I was listening to the VBR, so it's probably not because of mp3 compression. But I gotta tell you you have some great drum samples now :D

Oh yeah, the song is great. From the very beginning it sounds very you. The vocal harmonies, the guitar sound, chords, style changes, it's all you. And still, it manages to be surprising. Sounds sick and infectious. I just noticed you never seem to do a standard guitar solo. And I guess they wouldn't fit on your songs anyway. I like those twisted solos you come up with.
 
thanks for the ears guys!

Guernica said:
what are you saying? ......"suck liquor" ......? :D

participant said:
"suck lick-her"!


"sick-liked her, sick- like that" :D good guesses though! It's probably impossible to make out most of my lyrics, but I'm not saying anything important anyway..




The Drums - I bought some drum loop and sample CD's.. They were around $50 beans each.. Each CD contained loops, and some have the individual samples that make up the loop.. For this song, I just chopped the loop into pieces using ACID, and put it together like this.. In the future I will make up a loop myself in Fruity Loops, and then do the actual looping in ACID.. They're all not going to sound this good, but some will.. I still plan on playing my drum pads whenever it's called for, so this is just another way to do things.. It took me hours and hours to do the drums.. The vocals were done from start to finish in 3 hours.. That includes making up lyrics and mixing.. I had all the music mixed already.. When I was done, all I had to do was mix the vocal to music level and that's it.. Since I don't record on my computer, I did the drums, and then burnt them to a CD.. I recorded that into my portastudio through the analog audio inputs.. I added the music and vox, and then burnt it back to a CD, and added some mastering stuff in SONAR.. IT would have sounded better if it wasn't so stepped on, but sometimes you just gotta say it's good enough, and just try to do the next one better.. One last thing, there were *no synths* used for anything besides the bass..


JMarcomb - thanks Jeff.. I am not a real guitarist like you, so I rely on the sound and a general 'wiff' of a guitarist..


erichenryus - dude, don't sell your TD-8! It's still the best sounding drum hardware I have ever heard.. It just needs to be tweaked.. thanks!


Kramer - I was going to p.m. you about that thread, but I should have known that nothing gets passed you! :D Yeah man, loops are a great thing, but they're not cheap... I was surprised by how little you get on the CD, but the quality is really high.. I'll keep you posted as I figure this thing out.. thanks Krame!


WATYF - I guess the best way to get your drum approval is to make sure I'm not the one playing them! :D thanks!


Stratomaster "How do you crank out so many tunes man?" That's easy.. I have no life or wife.. :D This is pretty much what I do for fun.. I'm dating a girl now, and she is really starting to cut into my recording time.. This song took 2 days from start to finish.. I think a combination of loop and real drums would be the best way.. thanks Strato!


IanW-UK - thanks for the tips man! I didn't want to screw too much with the sound of the drums. but maybe a little reverb won't kill me..


SLuiCe -"Sounds cool Sam, my ears are too fried right now, and by the time they aren't, you'll have changed the mix or deleted the thread" Nah, no more deleting threads for me.. I will just think twice before I start one in the future.. I think the guitar sound might be too dark in contrast to the drums.. maybe if I brighten up the guits with some e.q. it might help.. I did want the drums to be upfront, but it sounds like I may have over did it.. I'm on your new tune right after this.. (at this rate that could be 3 days)


chrisharris - thanks chris.. Yeah I like big drums too, but I never can get that sound.. BTW, there were no synths used other than synth bass.. all the other sounds were from the guitars.. thanks for addressing the vocal.. In all seriousness, I have been wondering if I needed A.T. lately.. I wonder if its powers can be used for good instead of evil! :eek:


Jamal Bucket - thanks! I have been experimenting with different vocal sounds and trying to use less effects.. hopefully they're improving.. I think I got carried away with the drums sounds, but they just sound soo good!


twist - thanks man! I'm surprised you didn't like the cheesey guitar, being that your from the cheese state! :D (yeah that was dumb) :rolleyes:


beezelbubba - thanks.. your right about the bass, it's not your monitors.. BTW, the only synth used was the for the bass.. all the other sounds were from guitars.. ]


Guernica hey Mike, loops rule! I still have much to figure out, but hopefully this will be the start of something good.. The next song will probably have lame drums though.. No mix suggestions? I guess that's cool.. I do think I can get the vox tighter, so I might resing it.. thanks man! be talking soon!


Myx62 - yeah it's the same Steve Smith.. I explained at the top of the page exactly how I did it.. I think the best way will be to use a combination of drum machine and loops.. ACID 4 must be cool.. I used ACID 1 for this.. :( Let me know if you have any other questions man.. thanks for the comments!


Gidge - thanks for your help in the other thread Mike.. That's what got me going from the start.. I have a tempo question in the newbie thread, and I was wondering if you knew the answer.. How can you change the tempo of the loop without changing the sound? The way I have been doing it now is starting one project in one tempo, and then starting a new one in another, and then splicing them together, but I can't change the tempo of these loops without effecting the sound.. I just have to keep searching for loops that fit what I need to do? :confused: thanks again for any help man!


Toki 987 - thanks man.. I agree about the vocals.. I banged them out too quick, so there had to be some problems.. appreciate the ears!


theron - hey Lee, I'm sending you an eamil after this.. I tried to explain how I did it at the top of the page.. If you want to talk more about it, send me a p.m. It's good to see you back around man! Let's hear some tunes soon.. thanks!


t-rok.com - thanks a lot man!



participant - hey Chad, yeah I have a long way to go.. It's amazing how long it takes to do drums.. I really think it takes longer than any other part of recording.. I may resing the vocals because I'm sure I can get a better take and sound.. I banged the vox for this one out very quickly.. I can't wait to hear what you put on that other tune.. Take your time man, I'm sure whatever you do will be cool.. Let me know if you want me to send you the wave.. I have been sending wave files to friends through AOL Instant messenger.. It's free to download IM, and if both people have high speed, it doesn't take long to send a 50 meg file.. thanks Chad!


mixmkr -"are you cussing someone out at 1:50?" Yes. :D If you listen there, you will hear that I ran out of sustain and I didnt notice until later.. So the words I said there are "ahhh, f**k it" :D I like the drums nice and upfront too.. I always tried to hide them because of the sound, but when they sound this good, you just have to put them loud in the mix.. I should have put a little more effort into the guitar though.. I didn't do my usual stuff.. I just layed 2 guitar rhythms and that was it.. thanks mix, and don't worry.. the cellos are coming! :D


dobro - thanks dobro.. the bass was the only synth used on this and I didn't do a good job of it.. I was so caught up in the drums, that the bass became an afterthought.. I really would like a better bass line on this.. perhaps a real one.. I do have 2 basses (a 4 and a 5 string) but I get lazy sometimes.. I will spend more time on the bass though.. thanks for the comments man..


CrankyOne - I have a long way to go before these drums become part of my main sound.. I'm sure the next song will have MIDI sounding drums.. Your drums are among the best in the clinic, so I wouldn't worry about that.. The effect on the high hat could be because it was stepped on a few times.. burned to a CD, burned back again, loaded into a seperate recorder through analog inputs with crappy patch cords etc.. I can't do a standard guitar solo because I suck.. I rely on the sound to get the point across.. I am nothing without effects.. Thanks Crank!!





Thanks again to everyone who bothered.. It's fun reading the comments good or bad..


sam
 
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lyrics

underneath a smile I lied to you
could you lie to me too
I don't think you can handle one more truth
this one involves you
I'm afraid

though it may not be your fantasy
dying with me
darker things in life than you have seen
turn on the T.V.
I'm afraid

You want it
try and keep up with the pace
Don't blow it
you will acquire a taste

darker things in life than you have seen
don't think I can handle one more thing

sick- liked her, sick - like that

sick like that, sick like that, sick like that
 
There must be someway for you to set up your pads as a trigger for those samples. You play pads really well and it would be great if you could combine the two. Does Acid or Fruity Loops have a midi controller? If you installed a USB midi port on your pc, could you connect your pads? Then maybe transfer the drum track out of your PC to your recorder. Just a thought.
It's amazing how fast you put stuff together. A bottomless cup...
 
Sluice - he puts stuff together fast cuz he lives in an ashtray, and more importantly, he's on a roll. Things start happening on their own when you get the momentum up. For example, this was my favorite:

"The vocals were done from start to finish in 3 hours.. That includes making up lyrics and mixing"

he he he he he he he

love it
 
hey Tom, I'm trying some stuff out, but it's getting very complicated very fast.. It all involves me just recording the MIDI of the drum pads and then getting into all this crazyness with the computer.. I am not fit to operate a calculator, let alone a crazy set up, but I'll be experimenting..



dobro - can someone open up a window in here?! :D



David - thanks man! I'm sure the drums will be a dissapointment on the next one..


(from other thread) muzeman - check your p.m.'s!
 
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Drums sound great and I love that guitar sound.. Freakin cool!
 
WHAM BAM THANK YOU SAM!!!!!!!!! FUCK!!!!!!

Dat's what i'm screamin, iv'e been waiting for one from you to come down the pipe like this!!!! Bout damn time!!!:D

You want it
try and keep up with the pace
Don't blow it
you will acquire a taste.................Lovin the vox right here!! :mad:
All the vox are great, i just love how this part fit's!!!

this is my new fav from you!!!!!!!! hell YEAH!!!!!! It just fuckin ROLL'S!!!!!!!!! fluid like. (you know how i like it) :D

I just had to give my head phone's back to the guy i was borrowing them from :( so i'm listening on my comp. speakers.
just when i was getting used to them!!!!!! now i have to find some money for some cheap headphone's and relearn them. but it even sounded great through the comp speaker's!!

So this is just another reason for me to trash my drum's, and learn to program!!!!! DAMN YOU!! :D did i mention that i love this song???? get's me goin!!!!!!!


Thank's sam!!!!!!

peace

Rick
 
I love the drums.

Dude,

this song is amazing for a non-wildcard song. You have the elements: rhythm, melody, harmony, delivery, instumentation. Everything fits perfectly. Now you just need to dig down a bit deeper and find that wildcard.

One thing I can say though is that you are reaching a higher level and one day you'll have all the elements down and then the world will call you maestro.
 
I think the drums sound great. Nice sound on the snare. The tom-tom fills are first rate. Vocals are sitting real nice. I'm not even going to tell you that you get a great guitar sound anymore :D:D. From this point forward assume that if I don't comment on them that they sound first rate :D:D.

Or if you want your ego stroked lemme know and I'll tell you again. :D:D:D

Just gotta say again - love those tom fills.

Trip.
 
Re: thanks for the ears guys!

B.SABBATH said:
[Kramer - I was going to p.m. you about that thread, but I should have known that nothing gets passed you! Yeah man, loops are a great thing, but they're not cheap... I was surprised by how little you get on the CD, but the quality is really high.. I'll keep you posted as I figure this thing out.. thanks Krame!

Yeah man,just PM me when you come cross something that'll help me out.God knows I can use all the help I can get.:D
 
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