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EDIT> Holy shit. Greg, we posted the same thing at the same time. Well, we started posting at the same time, probably, but it took me 6 minutes to post this. Weird.
So if you copy the same post and double it, does that make it twice as right?![]()
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So if you copy the same post and double it, does that make it twice as right?![]()
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Um...I'm right beside my equipment here. I tried it before my last post just to make sure. It's the exact same thing.
Copy your kik track, now you have 2 kik tracks. Play them both at the same volume.
Now, mute one and turn the other one up TWICE AS LOUD.
Exact same result.
Ah but if you eq them both differently then they begin to sound like 2 different kick drums. You can radically change the sound of a kick with eq can you not? For me it's a sound design thing more than a mixing thing though. Not that sound design isn't important to the final mix.That's a completely different thing. We're talking about doubling the exact same track, not layering 2 different bass drums.
That would be awesome........ if I had a choice in mics a decent live room and more importantly an acoustic drum set. This is HOME recording after all. The most difficult thing to record properly in a home studio(IMHO) is drums because of the space requirements and the amount of noise. All my drums are either electronic, sample based or recorded somewhere else. Sometimes you need to get a little creative to work around the constraints of your setup.It's a kick drum. It should be fat and low on its own. Maybe you need to play with your mic choice, mic placement, tune the drum properly, or all of the above.
That would be awesome........ if I had a choice in mics a decent live room and more importantly an acoustic drum set. This is HOME recording after all. The most difficult thing to record properly in a home studio(IMHO) is drums because of the space requirements and the amount of noise. All my drums are either electronic, sample based or recorded somewhere else. Sometimes you need to get a little creative to work around the constraints of your setup.
I'm not sure what the original posters situation is but it may be similar. I'm also not sure what type of music he is making. This technique may be totally appropriate for his situation.
No, it will sound like the SAME kik drum louder and EQ'd. Like you said, you can change the sound of ONE KIK DRUM radically. Boosting frequencies (which you shouldn't really be doing too much of, if at all, anyway) on one of those tracks is the same thing. You can't boost what's not already there.You forgot the EQ.
Ah but if you eq them both differently then they begin to sound like 2 different kick drums. You can radically change the sound of a kick with eq can you not?
Yes it is HOME recording. And we're answering the original poster who HAS an acoustic drum set. So that's what we're talking about.That would be awesome........ if I had a choice in mics a decent live room and more importantly an acoustic drum set. This is HOME recording after all.
hey guys
always struggle with my kick, getting it loud enough and cutting thru the mix
a friend of mine suggested i double up the kick (as in copy paste the kick track into a second track that will run simultaneously)
he said in the one track you can boost the lows and cut highs and in the second you can cut the lows and mids and get more attack in the 1k region. he said the doubling up will get the kick sounding louder too
just wondering if this is a valid method or a bad idea?
msmales, what delay are you using?
what settings do you use? never gotten a nice delay from the crap plugins that come with cubase
don't knock it until you've tried it. Do it listen to it use your ears and then tell me you get the same effect from a single track.
Should you do it all the time? Of course not but sometimes it sounds awesome. Some songs just beg for it. You can get some pretty nasty sounding kicks by layering different kicks on top of each other. Don't tell me you guys have never heard of layering an 808 style kick over an acoustic kick to get some boom?
I would never do this on an acoustic kit for a standard rock or country type sound but it is very useful for metal/industrial/techno in certain situations.
That's what I'm talking about. I usually use eq on the individual tracks the bounce them to a single track and compress that track. I don't do my final mix with 2 separate kick tracks.
That's a completely different thing. We're talking about doubling the exact same track, not layering 2 different bass drums.
EDIT> Holy shit. Greg, we posted the same thing at the same time. Well, we started posting at the same time, probably, but it took me 6 minutes to post this. Weird.
You forgot the EQ.
Ah but if you eq them both differently then they begin to sound like 2 different kick drums. You can radically change the sound of a kick with eq can you not? For me it's a sound design thing more than a mixing thing though. Not that sound design isn't important to the final mix.
That would be awesome........ if I had a choice in mics a decent live room and more importantly an acoustic drum set. This is HOME recording after all. The most difficult thing to record properly in a home studio(IMHO) is drums because of the space requirements and the amount of noise. All my drums are either electronic, sample based or recorded somewhere else. Sometimes you need to get a little creative to work around the constraints of your setup.
I'm not sure what the original posters situation is but it may be similar. I'm also not sure what type of music he is making. This technique may be totally appropriate for his situation.
Ah but if you eq them both differently then they begin to sound like 2 different kick drums. You can radically change the sound of a kick with eq can you not? For me it's a sound design thing more than a mixing thing though. Not that sound design isn't important to the final mix.
If you want your electronic kick sounds to sound different - run it out through a speaker into another room, and put up a mic or two and record THAT!
Treat it like an acoustic kick. Try different tunings, reverb, etc. to see what sounds best out of the speaker.
Tim
Obviously I missed something because I don't see that info anywhere in this thread.He's using an acoustic kit and a beta52 in the kick to do metal.
It is pretty common, my guess would be over 50%. But that's another discussion. I never said he should use samples I never said that doubling the kick is the right thing for him to do. I said it might work for him depending on the sound he is going for.You're acting like drum-loops and sample software are the norm for home-recording. He should be able to get a usable kick sound without resorting to samples or other trickery. .
Absilutely, I agree with experimentation. But again, mixing 2 identical kik drum sounds that come from the same mic, drum, and recording does nothing other than make the kik louder. Your technique of mixing DIFFERENT bass drums is legitimate.My only point is that it IS a legitimate technique and you can get some really cool results with it. Honestly try it and see.